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2 hours ago, Mattman42 said:

each to their own @PaulQ, if that's the way they want to do it. Lets give the guy some slack rather than telling him hes done it wrong - its a friday after all and he's one of us now :)

 

I'm a fully paid up member of the official poverty pork club, so my apologies :)

 

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I had the inspection done post purchase, but had negotiated well on the price, so putting it in for an inspection and major service seemed logical. The bore scope was done as part of the inspection, and thankfully came back all clear. I knew the tyres needed changing when I bought it and had factored that into the purchase price. The list of jobs that wanted doing included the clutch,as the inspector/garage (Loe Bank in Ramsbottom) said the clutch was very heavy. I had to agree, it was heavy, but not having owned one before, I wasn't sure to what extent.

So, I booked it in for a replacement clutch, having first ruled out the clutch helper spring. It got expensive because I was advised that the DMF had 40% play and it would be advisable to throw a new one in.

So, what was the expensive part?!- the clutch and DMF, tyres, service and inspection, but apart from the servicing, those costs won't reoccur. 

Mileage is 115k and it runs beautifully. Its getting used a few times a week, so it's not going to be a garage queen!

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I've been restoring/rebuilding a 2003 MR2 for the past couple of years, that has had every conceivable part changed out or renewed. I think the only bits that are original are the panels and the paint. It's now a mint, pristine MR2 ZZW30 with low miles, but it's the way I like to renovate or fettle cars. There's nothing better in my eyes. But, as I said earlier, I'd never owned a Boxster, so i'll now spend the next couple of years learning Porsche. Gotta say though, it's much less expensive renovating a Toyota!!

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3 minutes ago, guitar-cellar said:

spend the next couple of years learning Porsche. Gotta say though, it's much less expensive renovating a Toyota!!

The longer you own it, the cheaper it (should) cost you to run. 

If you can do your own work you will save a fortune in labour costs. They are actually quite nice to work on and while most parts are more expensive then run of the mill cars, they aren't too bad if you shop around. 

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Yes, I've seen loads of sites for parts which are really quite good value, and luckily enough, I live just round the corner from a huge Porsche parts place in Ramsbottom. I do a lot of my own work, unless i need ramps, then it's off to the specialist. If i can do it on the ground, then I will do!

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I've got 9 Apart, Loe Bank and Hartech all within easy reach. Loe Bank Porsche Specialist have been very good so far. 

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5 hours ago, Bike Loon said:

You change your spark plugs every year then? Must have money to burn ;)

A little excessive, yes.

But running a 986 at 120,000 miles will require more than minimal maintenance, if you want to get the most out of the car.

They will soldier on with a lot of neglect, but the difference between a leggy one ,and one which has has been looked after, is night and day.

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19 minutes ago, K.I.T.T. said:

A little excessive, yes.

But running a 986 at 120,000 miles will require more than minimal maintenance, if you want to get the most out of the car.

They will soldier on with a lot of neglect, but the difference between a leggy one ,and one which has has been looked after, is night and day.

Changing spark plugs at manufacturers intervals rather than annually is hardly neglect.

Apart from basic maintenance the only costs mine had over 8 years was 1 x AOS , 1 X Alternator, 1 x Water pump and 1 set of coffin arms.

I used to get oil and filter changes for £39 at Kwik Fit before they upped the cost (and yes they did use Mobil 1) none of my cars were neglected, I dont get why some owners throw money at them when it is not needed and not even due according to the manufacturers recommendations but each to their own.

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8 minutes ago, Bike Loon said:

Changing spark plugs at manufacturers intervals rather than annually is hardly neglect.

I never said that. My final sentence is a general statement about these cars, which appears to have touched a nerve.

 

My second sentence was in reference to this:

There is no way a 986 will get to 120,000 miles with minimal maintenance.

1. The car will either have had a lot of stuff done prior to taking ownership / after selling
2. Will not be at its best.

 

Then again, our interpretation of minimal maintenance may differ. 

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No nerves to touch, if you want to throw money at parts that even Porsche say are not due for changing thats your look out.

I had 8 fab years with 3 different Boxsters .. but then I did run them on 99 ron fuel so maybe its that ;)

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2 minutes ago, Bike Loon said:

if you want to throw money at parts that even Porsche say are not due for changing thats your look out.

Think you meant outlook.

Whilst I agree with you that changing spark plugs every year is excessive, I do not agree you can get a 986 to 120,000 with minimal maintenance. But hey, people can do what they want with their own cars. 

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4 hours ago, guitar-cellar said:

The list of jobs that wanted doing included the clutch,as the inspector/garage (Loe Bank in Ramsbottom) said the clutch was very heavy. I had to agree, it was heavy, but not having owned one before, I wasn't sure to what extent.

So, I booked it in for a replacement clutch, having first ruled out the clutch helper spring. It got expensive because I was advised that the DMF had 40% play and it would be advisable to throw a new one in.

So, what was the expensive part?!- the clutch and DMF, tyres, service and inspection, but apart from the servicing, those costs won't reoccur. 

 

 

 

Not sure I'd change a clutch unless it had failed , As you say , you've never owned one before so you've nothing to compare against, as for the Dmf, Yes always change if the clutch is being changed, but for the garage to say it has 40% play is just not correct, play in Dmf is measured in mm, and recommend play is less than 2mm

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DMF 15% either way so 30% overall is ok , so at 40% definetly for replacement

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Why would you change a clutch that is not slipping?

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1 hour ago, Topbox said:

Why would you change a clutch that is not slipping?

Bob, Have you driven a 986 / 987 with circa 100k miles on the original clutch, back to back with one with a new clutch?

Clutch doesn't need to be slipping to be worn. Also puts more stress on the pilot bearing, which can cause a completely different ballache...

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14 hours ago, Bike Loon said:

You change your spark plugs every year then? Must have money to burn ;)

I also change the oil every 3000 miles, which is probably why the car has done 207000 with no issues.

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I have to ask, of the 207,000 miles covered how many miles have you personally driven.

My maths works that out to be nearly 70 oil changes if you have driven your car from new. Would also mean changing the oil every 4 months on average.

Pay your money you take your choice.

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15 hours ago, K.I.T.T. said:

Whilst I agree with you that changing spark plugs every year is excessive, 

Spark plugs are a wear and deterioration part.  Only strictly need replacement if you cannot maintain the spark gap due to eroded electrodes (very high mileage), or the insulator is degrading or breaking (age) and losing spark power as a result.  Manufacturer mileage intervals are the most useful reference if you are not in apposition to inspect them your self.  It is a bit like using Mobil 1 (this is formulated for high performance, long drain intervals and high mileage all at the same time remember) and draining it every year when the car does less than 3k miles.  If it is a daily and does 10+k miles then original service intervals are the way to go.

There is a space between well maintained and neglected which is where practical long term planned maintenance on an older vehicle should sit without incurring excessive costs.  Remember a manufacturer has to keep the franchised dealers busy with some servicing work as well as selling the car so annual or nice round mileage numbers are at the short end of intervals required based on their wear and tear and reliability testing so there is always some latitude.

BTW I took the approach of the OP, fortunately with out the big ticket items as the clutch and RMS had been do0ne recently, and I want to do work on the car which was a key secondary reason in the purchase after using it and having fun.

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I think there are two basic types of Boxster owners on this forum... And both are equally valid and should be welcomed into the fold

'The Fixer Uppers' and 'The Obsessives'

The Fixer Uppers get pleasure from self maintaining cars and replacing things when they need replacing and will happily use non OEM parts...

The Obessives will follow OPC or top indy servicing schedules and will change things if the garage even remotely suggests it needs changing...

And it is a personal choice as to which camp you fall into

Personally I'm an Obsessive, my view is even a lowly Boxster still comes from a top car manufacturer and should be regarded and treated like a thoroughbred, even if it has retired from racing. 

Personally I admire folk who spanner their own cars as I no longer can. But would I buy one, no... For me it needs a bulging folder of receipts :thumbsup_still:

 

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14 minutes ago, John K said:

I think there are two basic types of Boxster owners on this forum... And both are equally valid and should be welcomed into the fold

'The Fixer Uppers' and 'The Obsessives'

The Fixer Uppers get pleasure from self maintaining cars and replacing things when they need replacing and will happily use non OEM parts...

The Obessives will follow OPC or top indy servicing schedules and will change things if the garage even remotely suggests it needs changing...

And it is a personal choice as to which camp you fall into

So your basically saying that people who diy their cars will use cheap parts and only replace stuff when it breaks.? 

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I'm a relative OCD but happy to use uprated or non OEM parts at my choosing and do some basic DIY when I can be bothered but otherwise use an Indy. 

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2 minutes ago, PaulQ said:

So your basically saying that people who diy their cars will use cheap parts and only replace stuff when it breaks.? 

My assumption is mostly yes

If you are a third type of owner that follows the recommended servicing schedule and uses OEM parts then hats off to you.

But I would guess you are in the minority. But being 100% honest even if you do follow everything by the book, unless you come from a car servicing background, especially performance metal servicing, I would be pleasantly surprised if the lack of a full workshop means the finished quality of work would be the same as the 'pros'

And if I've done you a disservice then apologies..!

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10 hours ago, K.I.T.T. said:

Bob, Have you driven a 986 / 987 with circa 100k miles on the original clutch, back to back with one with a new clutch?

Clutch doesn't need to be slipping to be worn. Also puts more stress on the pilot bearing, which can cause a completely different ballache...

No. So interesting to hear Ash 👍I shoud declare I have an interest in the subject as the clutch in my 987. 2 seems inordinately heavy at just 63000 miles but seems to work fine otherwise. The history of the car makes me think that it may have been used on the daily commute in its first few years so there could be higher than average clutch wear for a car of this type. The gear change mechanism also seems noisy to me, but again, works fine. Its something I shall ask an opinion on when its next in for service. The balance between wait till it breaks, sensible planned maintainence and throwing money at a car will always be a subjective subject I guess depending on the individual priorities, pockets and inclinations. I agree with Bikeloon though, he has been a very lucky chap.

PS Am now  going to Google "pilot bearing" to see if its the thing I sorta think it is er, might be 😁

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2 hours ago, jason3.2s said:

I have to ask, of the 207,000 miles covered how many miles have you personally driven.

My maths works that out to be nearly 70 oil changes if you have driven your car from new. Would also mean changing the oil every 4 months on average.

Pay your money you take your choice.

If I remember correctly @the baron has had her from new and he will never sell her because she was born the same year as his daughter.He has been to Europe in her many times and he drives her most days - maintained by him and Lee at Cotswold Porsche.😊

 

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