John K Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 After asking advice from Lee at CPS and seeing the sheer amount of chat on the forum about Carnewal exhausts I'm going to go for... http://www.carnewal.com/products/987/p87016/987-2-Carnewal-GT-Exhaust And the black tail pipes http://www.carnewal.com/products/987/p87024/Tail-Pipe-Black Just need to check with the insurance brokers and then I will get them ordered. Will they make me smile..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guvs Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Simple answer is yes, I'm still smiling now and I had mine done over two years ago. I took a trip out there, Just me and the wife for a short weekend break even seeing Gerts place is an experience it itself, you could do it all in a day if you had to. Guvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, John K said: Will they make me smile..? Yes! Great choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 And what to tell the insurance company? I declare all changes to my insurance even when I swap between summer and winter tyres. So what do I tell them before going for the Carnewal exhaust? Does it claim to give any extra BHP or is it just the noise? Perhaps this will help me decide between the Cayman R and std systems if one doesn't give any extra beans and the other does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason986S Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 A factory exhaust modified or not is gonna be hard to declare. Some might say unnecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, Jason986S said: A factory exhaust modified or not is gonna be hard to declare. Sorry I didn't get what you were advising / saying. Did you mean it will be hard to tell the difference (so shouldn't declare it) or it will be hard to specify the changes to the broker and get them to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulaj Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 If it affects the performance (bhp+) then you should declare to your insurance co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 OK I've spoken to Privilege and they have three options under exhaust mods: 1, Stainless Steel construction - no performance increase (didn't ask for a quote) 2, Stainless Steel construction - with performance increase (and when we gave a 10% BHP increase the premium went from £360 to £400) 3, Regular construction - with performance increase (and when we gave a 10% BHP increase the premium went from £360 to £400) There is no option for regular construction and no performance increase, I just need to tell them for their records. So unless one of you is 100% certain of the parameters, I guess I will email Gert and ask him TBH if its an extra £40 when I'm going to be dropping a grand, its a no brainer to do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 I think 'regular construction and no performance increase' is probably the one to go for subject to confirmation from Gert. As far as I was aware, the Carnwal is marketed as a sound increase rather than a performance increase. Quote The GT exhaust is a reworked original exhaust, modified in our workshop. It looks just like stock on the outside but the internals are changed to a better breathing, less restrictive exhaust. The result is a louder and deeper sound with no reasonance. If you had the work done and then rolling road tested, I suspect the output would be indistinguishable from a standard exhaust. Maybe just forward the desciption from Carnewal and let your insurers make the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nobbie said: Maybe just forward the desciption from Carnewal and let your insurers make the decision. This ? You have given them all the facts so are squeaky clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat haggis Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Can't you play blind to it. It's the original system . I bet OPC wouldn't be able to tell if ones fitted if he was deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, fat haggis said: Can't you play blind to it. It's the original system . I bet OPC wouldn't be able to tell if ones fitted if he was deaf. Not my thing I'm afraid, if any accident insurance claim runs into the hundreds of thousands because of life changing injuries to somebody, I know the extent the insurance companies will go to avoid paying. And ignorance is very rarely a defence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, John K said: Not my thing I'm afraid, if any accident insurance claim runs into the hundreds of thousands because of life changing injuries to somebody, I know the extent the insurance companies will go to avoid paying. And ignorance is very rarely a defence... I’m with you. Honest and upfront is the best you can do to protect yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason986S Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, John K said: Sorry I didn't get what you were advising / saying. Did you mean it will be hard to tell the difference (so shouldn't declare it) or it will be hard to specify the changes to the broker and get them to understand? I mean both to be fair. Personally. If there is no cosmetic difference, I wouldn’t declare it as most brokers (unless enthusiast run for performance cars) will not have a Scooby-doo. Plus it wont have a notable proved BHP gain thats public knowledge or look any different if you do have an incident as it’s a Porsche part afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perleman Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Do it! No idea why Porsche didn't make their cars sound like this to start with ie like a sports car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuonodave1 Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 17 hours ago, perleman said: Do it! No idea why Porsche didn't make their cars sound like this to start with ie like a sports car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 If after doing this, this exhaust doesn't give me a "perma-stiffy" (r) I will give my wife all your email address and you can explain where the money went... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 5 hours ago, John K said: If after doing this, this exhaust doesn't give me a "perma-stiffy" (r) I will give my wife all your email address and you can explain where the money went... So you sold the exhaust upgrade idea to your wife on the grounds of erectile effect? A big tub of Viagra would have been cheaper (but not sounded as good!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, rowbos said: So you sold the exhaust upgrade idea to your wife on the grounds of erectile effect? A big tub of Viagra would have been cheaper (but not sounded as good!) ?? but have you seen the price of viagra these days Steve?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 5 hours ago, John K said: If after doing this, this exhaust doesn't give me a "perma-stiffy" (r) I will give my wife all your email address and you can explain where the money went... There’s no guarantee about that, but I can assure you that you’ll have a massive grin the first time you hear it fire up and it will be yet another reason why you have to just pop out for some milk (or viagra) on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 I'm sure its the reason tunnels were built on the M25 (amongst other places) so you can get the Carnewal benefit. Awesome and clever piece of kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guvs Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 I can see where you are coming from and for the sake of £40 not worth the hassle (if it ever came to it) what I'm trying to say is I haven't reported my Carnewal to the insurance 1. its all internal work on the exhaust so from the outside it looks standard so even if the Boxster is upside down in a ditch no insurance assessor is going to see anything other than a OEM exhaust. 2 and as far as I'm aware it's not a power enhancing modification just cosmetic ((Sound) Only Gert can confirm this) 3. what if you had bought the Boxster 2nd Hand and wasn't told it had a Carnewal exhaust on, a Dealer may not know the difference, I had a problem with an add on with my Bike I had a datatool alarm and it said on the alarm box it was a "datatool Green" they couldn't find the "Green" on their system so in the end after a few Emails they told me not to declare any alarm and the insurance went through fine and I think it was about £20 more, so it was worth that to get it sorted. I think you may be opening a can of worm for the insurance to find fault with but at the end of the day if you can get a clear cut answer off the insurance about what kind of modification a Carnewal exhaust comes under its worth £40, for your piece of mind alone. Guvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocky Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 52 minutes ago, Guvs said: I can see where you are coming from and for the sake of £40 not worth the hassle (if it ever came to it) what I'm trying to say is I haven't reported my Carnewal to the insurance 1. its all internal work on the exhaust so from the outside it looks standard so even if the Boxster is upside down in a ditch no insurance assessor is going to see anything other than a OEM exhaust. 2 and as far as I'm aware it's not a power enhancing modification just cosmetic ((Sound) Only Gert can confirm this) 3. what if you had bought the Boxster 2nd Hand and wasn't told it had a Carnewal exhaust on, a Dealer may not know the difference, I had a problem with an add on with my Bike I had a datatool alarm and it said on the alarm box it was a "datatool Green" they couldn't find the "Green" on their system so in the end after a few Emails they told me not to declare any alarm and the insurance went through fine and I think it was about £20 more, so it was worth that to get it sorted. I think you may be opening a can of worm for the insurance to find fault with but at the end of the day if you can get a clear cut answer off the insurance about what kind of modification a Carnewal exhaust comes under its worth £40, for your piece of mind alone. Guvs. I fully agree with this point above. It's still at the end of the day a genuine stamped exhaust system from Porsche and if you was in a collision that put you in a written off state who's to tell. The mod is done from above the boxes so you'd have to be having your exhaust removed and if it even went that far it still isn't going to look dodgy on your part. Insurance companies are b*st*rds and as soon as your car is on their list as 'modded' in the event of a crash they'd be more inclined to look around the car. In terms of the GT mod, what a great sounding mod to have on the car. Driving @CliveH car with it really fuelled the fire for me wanting more sound from mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulchamby Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Great choice with the Carnewal - you won't regret it! I've had mine over two years and it just keeps getting better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, paulchamby said: Great choice with the Carnewal - you won't regret it! I've had mine over two years and it just keeps getting better! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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