MD707 Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Good morning all, I wonder if I could get some advice....I'm reading plenty of threads, so apologies if it has been covered ad nauseam. There's a lot to dig through here and I am working on it. I'm looking for a 987 3.4S Manual. - I've found an 07 with only 30k on it. MOT history suggested corroded disc problems and bush issues over the years, which ties in with the idea that low use Boxsters get neglected. Whats the popular view on a very low mileage example? Would a 50-60k car be better due to more frequent use and maintenance? Its been serviced every couple of years. - Is bore scoring a thing on the 3.4? Some tell me not, some tell me very much so 😀. I know a Gen II would solve that problem but they mostly seem to be PDK and/or a fair premium over the Gen I...and thinner on the ground. - I'm thinking about a PPI but can't seem to find anyone available. Might be something to do with a pandemic. Any recommendations in London? Appreciate thoughts in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 ....and I just found the buying advie forum 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Conventional wisdom on here is these cars like to be driven, don't be put off by high mileages as long as maintenance has been completed properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 There always seem to be a lot of 3.4s on autotrader. Make of that what you will. Personally I wouldn't buy one without bore scoping it. I know bore score is rare but if you buy one with scoring it's not funny. I've seen it written that you can have a 100,000 mile car and it bore scopes OK. A month later it can score. There are plenty on here with 3.4s that haven't had any issue whatsoever. If you're looking for guarantees I don't think there are any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 I had my high mileage 3.4 bore scoped by Autofarm who are very well respected. The car still used loads of oil without leaving smokey trails behind it. I concluded it was the bores becoming ovalaised and or worn rings. They don't last forever i'm afraid. Was a cracking car, went like stink. I'd still go for a lower mileage one as everything does wear imperceptibly over time, so why buy wear? New discs are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim33 Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, JonSta said: Personally I wouldn't buy one without bore scoping it. I know bore score is rare but if you buy one with scoring it's not funny. I agree. I was one of the unlucky few and after suffering high oil consumption I had it scoped and a scored cylinder was diagnosed. I've had the problem sorted and it's tip top now, but I wouldn't want to go through it again. It's not a reason to avoid the 987.1 3.4, but it's a reason to get it scoped before buying. Mine had a good history file with stamps from OPC, Revolution Porsche and other indies. If I found one that I liked at a dealer I'd ask them to scope it with me present as a condition of purchase. To cover them I'd tell them I'd be happy to pay for it and then they could deduct the cost from the sale price. If it was private, I'd tell the seller that I'll buy it if we get it scoped first, which I would pay for. I know I was unlucky. ePorsch scoped it for me couldn't believe it when they saw the scoring. They said that they'd only seen a couple of Boxsters with scoring before. Once bitten twice shy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propofol Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Mine is just about to go past 140k....uses a bit of oil but I think some flat 6's do and others don't. My oil consumption hasn't increased in the time I've owned it and I guess the bores will oval out at some point. Never had it borescoped. I bought it at 6 years old and 72K on the clock for 14.4k (if I recall correctly), pretty high spec, full Porsche service history. Porsche put it into the private dealer market as the miles were too high for them. Issues in the years I've had it: Water pump replaced Clutch and DMF replaced at about 100k Gear cables done at 120K or so Exhaust bolts etc rusted and replaced Now: Getting the air con fixed Tarting it up (read sorting out scrapes/scratches etc) In all, I still love driving it. It might go bang tomorrow. In the end, it's just a car. Not cheap cars to run but they are great fun. I don't think it's been particularly unreliable to own at all. If I could afford it, I'd get a get 2 or a 981...but I can't. And I definitely couldn't when I picked up this car at 34K less than it's build price at 6 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 I just viewed this car at Portiacraft. Quite the experience.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11293698?cId=11293698&cId=11182339&cId=11284852&cId=10852876&cId=11286400 - On first impression its a lovely car with great spec and crazy mileage (31k) - Matt finish to paint on rear drivers arch put me off - Minor touch up to left rear alloy to fix - Few small cosmetic marks. But otherwise drove perfect and looked really good - Seems to be well priced, includes the plate which could be sold for £400... ...but Harry the owner is about the rudest man I have ever met. There's grumpy and there is being an ass. - He got angry with me for not buying it within 15 minutes of meeting 'because its perfect, if you can't decide, maybe you shouldn't be buying old cars'. - Said 3.4 Boxsters don't suffer from from bore scoring and PPIs are a waste of time. - Clutch felt a little heavy, but he said 'it was light for one of these'. - Last service was at a local garage, he said 'Boxsters don't need full Porsche specialist stamps, its not a 911'. - Said if 'anything is wrong with it, bring it back and he will fix it'. - Told me to 'forget it then' and walked off when I said I wanted to think about it. ...am I missing out on a great buy here? Not excited to do business with them. Reading the above, I think I've made the right call. Always another out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, MikeD70 said: I just viewed this car at Portiacraft. Quite the experience.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11293698?cId=11293698&cId=11182339&cId=11284852&cId=10852876&cId=11286400 - On first impression its a lovely car with great spec and crazy mileage (31k) - Matt finish to paint on rear drivers arch put me off - Minor touch up to left rear alloy to fix - Few small cosmetic marks. But otherwise drove perfect and looked really good - Seems to be well priced, includes the plate which could be sold for £400... ...but Harry the owner is about the rudest man I have ever met. There's grumpy and theirs being an ass. - He got angry with me for not buying it within 15 minutes of meeting 'because its perfect, if you can't decide, maybe you shouldn't be buying old cars'. - Said 3.4 Boxsters don't suffer from from bore scoring and PPIs are a waste of time. - Clutch felt a little heavy, but he said 'it was light for one of these'. - Last service was at a local garage, he said 'Boxsters don't need full Porsche specialist stamps, its not a 911'. - Said if 'anything is wrong with it, bring it back and he will fix it'. - Told me to 'forget it then' and walked off when I said I wanted to think about it. ...am I missing out on a great buy here? Not excited to do business with them. Reading the above, I think I've made the right call. Always another out there. Well I don't think I'd be buying a vehicle from someone who treated me like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 I saw that the other day - thought it looked really nice. If he hadn't been an ar*e would you have bought it? I mean selling Porsches can't be difficult can it? - you just have to be reasonably pleasant and helpful. People come to buy. I was chatting to a guy at Mortimers the other day and he couldn't have been nicer or more helpful. It had been the car for me I'd have bought it no problem. Surely not everyone who views a car buys it? I do like those wheels though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Personally I wouldn’t want to do business with someone like that. If that is how they treat you whilst trying to sell you a car, how do you think they will be if you do encounter a problem post sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, JonSta said: I saw that the other day - thought it looked really nice. If he hadn't been an ar*e would you have bought it? I mean selling Porsches can't be difficult can it? - you just have to be reasonably pleasant and helpful. People come to buy. I was very keen. Exactly what I am after and I found very little to complain about visually on the car, other than that wing and some scuffed interior trim you could swap out. But its an old Porsche, and I want some kind of assurances on the service history and mechanics. As far as he was concerned, if it has an MOT its perfect. He seemed irritated to spend more than 10 minutes with me (literally) and framed me as a time waster for 'not reading his website properly'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Is he the owner of the business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Is there a warranty? I would have thought so at that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scubaregs said: Is he the owner of the business? And if so does he not realise that potential customers talk on the internet? ar*e! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 I believe so. 5 minutes ago, JonSta said: Is there a warranty? I would have thought so at that price. Yes, I think that was his frustration. 'If its broke, I will fix it.' He said 'I've been here 45 years, I don't understand why anyone would want to inspect one of my cars, I DO the inspections.' Maybe so, but still... 6 minutes ago, Scubaregs said: Is he the owner of the business? Yes, I believe so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 For all I know he might be the soul of honesty and a completely genuine bloke and he's frustrated that the world doesn't understand that. But it never hurts to be pleasant. As for 3.4s not scoring that's not true and as for saying a 911 needs specialist servicing but a boxster doesn't well there are so many common components between to two that's obviously a lie too. Also the clutch ought to be light unless that's to do with it not being used much - don't know. If you like it bite the bullet and buy it - if he'll pay to have it scoped..... By the sounds of it he seems as likely to tell you go and borescope your own ar*e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 17k for a 2007??? Holy moley. If he was rude and it was 10k I might suggest taking a chance. At that price, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Some people think (usually if they have one to sell) that low mileage is worth a hefty premium. On here we usually say condition trumps mileage. It is up there pricewise no doubt. Reminds me a few months back they had a 3.2 on their site that was highish mileage but reasonably priced. He wouldn't take my car in p/x. I think he thought that an 05 2.7 was lowering the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, JonSta said: By the sounds of it he seems as likely to tell you go and borescope your own ar*e. I'd put money on it. Thank you all, appreciated. The hunt continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propofol Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Time to walk away. He’s not doing you a favour. What a tw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Menoporsche said: 17k for a 2007??? Holy moley. If he was rude and it was 10k I might suggest taking a chance. At that price, forget it. You could have mine and I'd be rude to you if it was really necessary. You'd even have £6k left to fix wear and tear items and the Porsche warranty on it for nearly a year for peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravestarr Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 It sometimes feels that the world is full of rude ar*eholes. From time to time you may have to interact with one or two of them. I wouldn't let him put you off if the car is right. As for the price, everyone will have a view on it but prices seem to be rising for cars with a decent spec. With these cars you need to factor in potential replacements for coil packs, water pump, condensers. If these don't need doing because of condition / low mileage then it's worth factoring these into your thinking. If you buy a £13k car that needs 4k of work you end up in much the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD707 Posted February 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 14 hours ago, Araf said: You could have mine and I'd be rude to you if it was really necessary. You'd even have £6k left to fix wear and tear items and the Porsche warranty on it for nearly a year for peace of mind. Are you selling? 1 hour ago, Bravestarr said: It sometimes feels that the world is full of rude ar*eholes. From time to time you may have to interact with one or two of them. I wouldn't let him put you off if the car is right. As for the price, everyone will have a view on it but prices seem to be rising for cars with a decent spec. With these cars you need to factor in potential replacements for coil packs, water pump, condensers. If these don't need doing because of condition / low mileage then it's worth factoring these into your thinking. If you buy a £13k car that needs 4k of work you end up in much the same place. Agree, i have been back and forth on this in the past. Generally have found regardless of the maintenance record, a car with 80k on it feels like an 80k car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 9 hours ago, MikeD70 said: Are you selling? There's a tax more than 30k on my clock - like 107k 9 hours ago, MikeD70 said: Agree, i have been back and forth on this in the past. Generally have found regardless of the maintenance record, a car with 80k on it feels like an 80k car. Many do but you do find the odd exception. My last one was tight as a drum with 100+k on the clock. Porsches wear their miles well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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