YorkshireBoxster Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Ok so I've picked up my first Boxster, a very nice midnight blue with tan leather and the 1st thing I want to do is improve the headlights so wondering if anyone has fitted these or similar. https://porshop.co.uk/porsche-body-trim-parts/porsche-boxster-987-gen-1-body-trim-parts-2005-to-2009/porsche-boxster-987-gen-1-lights-light-upgrades-2005-to-2009/hid-light-kit-for-h7-bulb.html Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 It’s more common to fit LED bulbs, which are straightforward to do. Just a mention that neither mod is road legal, but several people have had MOTs without issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boer13 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Blue with tan makes for a great look. I've pinned these.. but not seemingly not in stock at present: H7 Nighteye LED bulbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Do you have projector or reflector lenses? The former are much better for conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 If you have projector lenses then I can recommend combo of Twenty20 H7 LEDs with Philips canbus adapter control unit works very well. About £100 for both and dead easy to install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boer13 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) Mine has reflector lenses. I've noted posts 23 and 31 here: https://rennlist.com/forums/987-forum/1178703-headlight-upgrade-on-987-standard-halogen-3.html but could go with alternative advice. Edit: apologies to the OP - not trying to hijack the thread.. Edited December 31, 2021 by boer13 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 The projector/reflector comment is perfectly relevant for OP as well. I don't know about LEDs, but for HID it was explained that reflector lenses spread the beam badly and thus risk to dazzle other users, while projector lenses work well to focus the beams. The latter also conceal the bulb making a visual check difficult at MoT time. I think the total ban is OTT for HID conversions, given that they allow drivers to see better at night, but there should be a FPN for a badly adjusted beam, aggravated if it involves brighter bulbs like HID or LED. Pay £100 for a professional to adjust your beams in a garage, or £400 fine if they aren't. A rational choice I'd hope - but we know people aren't rational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Menoporsche said: The projector/reflector comment is perfectly relevant for OP as well. I don't know about LEDs, but for HID it was explained that reflector lenses spread the beam badly and thus risk to dazzle other users, while projector lenses work well to focus the beams. The latter also conceal the bulb making a visual check difficult at MoT time. This basically. FWIW mine have been installed for a few thousand miles now and I haven't been flashed once by other drivers and it passed an MOT with them in the other day without issue. I did spend some time making sure the beam pattern was correct though when i first installed them. I just used tape markings on the garage door of the original set and then compared them to the replacement LED to make sure they were the installed at the right angle (you fit the holder first and then slide the LED unit itself in which can rotate within a rubber washer. I'd say definitely go for it if you have projector lenses, I haven't read up on viability of doing it if reflector style though. Edited December 31, 2021 by Hainesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boer13 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Thanks I better do more research then. The lighting systems across 987 cars seem to vary more than what I realized, so the bulb type I mentioned may not be a good idea for my own vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV8 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 I put these on my 987.1 with projectors (big lens is visible) . You have to cut the cover of the headlight case to put the ballast outside but fantastic light output you can keep the ballast inside but I wasn’t happy doing that as it’s a bit of a squeeze! There are a couple of write ups on here and it’s an easy job H7 HIDS4U Stealth 55W Xenon HID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boer13 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Research update - thoughts about the physics. LTR: Philips H7 halogen (a suitable reference point, I hope), 20Twenty LED, and Nighteye LED: To function properly a replacement bulb should present the filament at the exact position to match the original design of the reflector / lens / light assembly. For easier comparison of the above 2 LED options to the 'reference' Halogen, I've resized the images below. Measurement based on scaling suggests that the 20Twenty may be a reasonable match for the Halogen, but the Nighteye not. This should hold for any vehicle which could use the Philips H7, independent of reflector/projector type design. I'll not post on this again before next year. Happy miles all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBoxster Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Thanks all, definitely given me something to think about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earley231186 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 I have the nighteye LEDs. Visually they look great. But the light output through the projector is cr*p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, earley231186 said: I have the nighteye LEDs. Visually they look great. But the light output through the projector is cr*p. I originally ordered “Nighteye” LEDs from Amazon and they were definitely fake Chinese copies when they arrived. The genuine article seem to be quite well reviewed (I went with a different make in the end tho so can’t compare) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earley231186 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hainesy said: I originally ordered “Nighteye” LEDs from Amazon and they were definitely fake Chinese copies when they arrived. The genuine article seem to be quite well reviewed (I went with a different make in the end tho so can’t compare) Quite possible I have the same. They were in a night eye branded box etc. The full beams are excellent. The dipped not so much. I also have osram LEDs that's were about £100 but they throw a code so I removed them. Be interesting to run them and establish of they are any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, earley231186 said: I also have osram LEDs that's were about £100 but they throw a code so I removed them. Be interesting to run them and establish of they are any better. Philips & Osram both do Canbus 'control' units - essentially just a resistor and a heatsink in a box I suspect. I had to use a set with my Twenty20 LEDs as they started flickering when the temperatures dropped (although I didn't get an error on the dash). Might be worth a go with your Philips lights only £20ish - and you can always send them back if they don't make a difference. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-18952-°C2-Canbus-LED-Adaptor-Set/dp/B07C5PN1LH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=JVH09NP9U6WL&keywords=philips+canbus+h7&qid=1641038346&sprefix=philips+canbus+h7%2Caps%2C65&sr=8-3 Edited January 1, 2022 by Hainesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBoxster Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Thanks all. I have projector lenses so might look at thd led option rather than the hid conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earley231186 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Hainesy said: Philips & Osram both do Canbus 'control' units - essentially just a resistor and a heatsink in a box I suspect. I had to use a set with my Twenty20 LEDs as they started flickering when the temperatures dropped (although I didn't get an error on the dash). Might be worth a go with your Philips lights only £20ish - and you can always send them back if they don't make a difference. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-18952-°C2-Canbus-LED-Adaptor-Set/dp/B07C5PN1LH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=JVH09NP9U6WL&keywords=philips+canbus+h7&qid=1641038346&sprefix=philips+canbus+h7%2Caps%2C65&sr=8-3 I will order a set of them and give them a go. Maybe these will be a improvement on the night eye candles haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boer13 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, YorkshireBoxster said: Thanks all. I have projector lenses so might look at thd led option rather than the hid conversion. 2 hours ago, earley231186 said: I have the nighteye LEDs. Visually they look great. But the light output through the projector is cr*p. Well, I've learnt yet another lesson: difference-between-projector-reflector-headlights Earlier, I've incorrectly assessed my own as reflector type while they are actually projectors.. just like yours (and probably every other 987 🤷♂️) From earley's note and the article above, Nighteye LEDs for the dipped beam is a no go. I think Twenty20 LEDs may be working (as confirmed by Hainesy) due to its dimensions being so similar to the Halogen unit. This may therefore be our LED option, next to HID's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBoxster Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Might look at ordering these as they seem to include the can us correction without additional widgets in some cases. If they prove to be good I would look to get the full beam changed too. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08N56JYJT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_2XSSV7N394PD5AJYYQ2G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, YorkshireBoxster said: Might look at ordering these as they seem to include the can us correction without additional widgets in some cases. If they prove to be good I would look to get the full beam changed too. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08N56JYJT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_2XSSV7N394PD5AJYYQ2G Check the detail. The small print seems to suggest they have the built which (should) avoid flicker (but might not) but need additional “adapters” to fool the control modules that the lamps are lit Therefore, we have developed smart solutions to overcome those challenges. Philips’ unique CANbus adapters* ensure the vehicle’s lighting systems function smoothly, for reliable electrical performance over time. Please use Philips Adapter CANbus to remove inaccurate error message on the dashboard and Philips Light Repair CANbus* to remove flickering issue. *Philips Light Repair CANbus is directly integrated into our new-generation LED bulbs (Ultinon Pro9000 and Ultinon Pro5000). No need for additional accessories to remove flickering! In some rare cases, an additional light repair CANbus might be required to eliminate the flickering completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBoxster Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Yep that's their get out of jail free card 😂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codfanglers Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Paul P said: Check the detail. The small print seems to suggest they have the built which (should) avoid flicker (but might not) but need additional “adapters” to fool the control modules that the lamps are lit Therefore, we have developed smart solutions to overcome those challenges. Philips’ unique CANbus adapters* ensure the vehicle’s lighting systems function smoothly, for reliable electrical performance over time. Please use Philips Adapter CANbus to remove inaccurate error message on the dashboard and Philips Light Repair CANbus* to remove flickering issue. *Philips Light Repair CANbus is directly integrated into our new-generation LED bulbs (Ultinon Pro9000 and Ultinon Pro5000). No need for additional accessories to remove flickering! In some rare cases, an additional light repair CANbus might be required to eliminate the flickering completely. Another £20 or so for these CANbus adapters to make their LEDs work, takes the price of the Philips LED system to around three times the price of HIDS4U Stealth HIDs kit that delivers the same brightness and colour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 23 hours ago, Codfanglers said: Another £20 or so for these CANbus adapters to make their LEDs work, takes the price of the Philips LED system to around three times the price of HIDS4U Stealth HIDs kit that delivers the same brightness and colour. I had 2 Hids4u kits fitted to a 987.1 and 987.2. Faultless and a lot brighter than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBoxster Posted January 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, andygo said: I had 2 Hids4u kits fitted to a 987.1 and 987.2. Faultless and a lot brighter than me. Hi Andy, do the ballast boxes fit nicely as I am tempted by them now that I've seen the prices etc. Thinking the 35w version as the 55 might be a bit bright. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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