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I visited Paul at his garage yesterday and he walked me through what to look for in 986s. He's clearly an expert and knows 986s inside and out. Highly recommended.
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11 minutes ago, edc said:
Did you buy it from a member on here? There is a relatively new member with a green one I think with sand interior and definitely the Sport Classic II wheels.
I bought it from a dealer, but it's possible the dealer bought it off a member here. Would love to know who that member is!
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5 minutes ago, Topbox said:
Well done sir, have fun, not many meets on at the moment but if you pop along to one you will find a warm welcome and it's a real bonus of ownership.
I'm very much looking forward to this. Where can I stay up to date about meet-ups? Is there a newsletter to subscribe to?
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1 minute ago, brillomaster said:
congratulations! so... new car purchased... i presume some pics are following shortly? 😉
as soon as I pick it up tomorrow 😉 my first Porsche 🙂
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Just now, edc said:
I hope you didn't buy the car because it had an IMS Guardian to the detriment of other condition items as that's easily retrofitable and is quite cheap. As long as you are happy with what you get it's all good.
Nope definitely not only for that reason. It was simply a plus which I appreciated.
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Thanks everyone, I instead bought a 986 with an IMS guardian installed
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Thanks everyone, I bought a 986 with an IMS guardian installed
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5 minutes ago, ½cwt said:
Ask the seller for the engine number. There are people on here who can check out the provenance i.e. manufacture date and exact engine variant.
Yep he's going to send it to me soon. Who specifically can check the provenance?
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3 minutes ago, edc said:
In 2009 the new Boxster engines were a DFI 3.4 and a 2.9. It will be a 2.7 engine but that's not the same as a 2009 spec engine. I wouldn't rely on the information you are getting from the owner or seller in this case.
He said 'it was a brand new replacement engine from Porsche. It was the 2009 version of the 2.7 engine as it was replaced in 2009. Porsche knew about the Intermediary Bearing Shaft seal problem so they have the owner a new engine to fit. This was the 2009 engine version that didn’t have the IMBS seal issue. It’s not a second hand engine'
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2 minutes ago, edc said:
If it's an S then there was no 3.2 in 2009. It won't be a 2009 engine as you find in a 2009 model year car. It will still have an IMS bearing but probably of the larger later type.
It's a 2.7, and the current owner said it's an 09 engine. I'm not sure what that means so I'll clarify.
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1 minute ago, ½cwt said:
Given that it was done by Porsche and recorded in the history as such, much less of a risk but it will still be the same design bearing in the new motor. However general wisdom seem to be if the IMSB is going to go it will be at lower mileage rather than waiting until its done 80+k miles. That said the usage of the engine, lots of cold starts and short journeys could also be a contributing factor. Bar this, a 31k miles '03 986 should be a pretty nice car, although suspension bushes and other rubber based components (tyres??) could be aged and still need a replacement plan just like a 60k, 90k or 120k car.
so apparently the new engine is an 09 one which doesn't have the IMSB risk. That's what is attracting me to the car. Tyres will likely need replacing, so how much should I factor is as a cost for those?
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10 minutes ago, brillomaster said:
generally id say yes. there are more questions to be asked, namely, when was the engine replaced, and what mileage and condition was the replacement engine in? was it porsche who replaced the engine under warranty, or was it outside of warranty?
but generally, i'd avoid cars which have had replacement engines. same reason i generally avoid crashed and then repaired cars.
It was replaced at 19K miles by Porsche in 2009. The new engine has had 12K miles on it since.
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The question is in the title. Nothing more to add!
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9 hours ago, ½cwt said:
Any chance you can share you engine number (or message me with it) as the evidence gathered to date indicates the larger bearing wasn't introduced until about 8000 cars into 987 production in late 2004 i.e. in model year 2005. If yours has a larger IMSB it does throw this into question and might change the advise on offer to others.
Unfortunately I don’t have the engine number. I only test drove the car a couple of days ago
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8 minutes ago, JonSta said:
There are no promises but there are those who will say if it were going to go it would be showing signs by now. What is known to happen is that the seal that holds the grease in the bearing breaks down. Although this sounds bad what happens is that engine oil gets in and lubricates the bearing which is good. Enough oil gets in the bearing will run as normal for as long as.
If the car is nice and a fair price I would say buy it. Have the tests done and if it's OK forget about it.
Yea I'll just do the necessary tests and enjoy the car while we can drive ICE cars for the next decade or two
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4 minutes ago, JonSta said:
How many miles on the clock? There's a general theory that if the IMS is going to go it will go reasonably quickly. As the mileage goes up it becomes less likely not more. I think everyone that considers one of these cars starts out with the same feelings you have - I certainly did.
There's no way to be sure but you can check the oil filter at oil change time for metal particles. Little shiny bits are a bad sign. You can also get a camshaft deviation test. As the IMSB gets loose due to wear the camshafts go very slightly out of sync. This can be seen in a diagnostic test. If it's within tolerance I wouldn't worry.
If you have to change the clutch then by all means get it done while it's apart.
Approx. 60K miles on it and it’s an 04 986 S 3.2 liter
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2 minutes ago, edc said:
Most who do change, myself included, only do so when the clutch is done.
The car I’m looking at is a tiptronic so there is no other repair to pair the IMS with (as far as I know)
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13 minutes ago, mike597 said:
I think you might be missing a point that has been made earlier. It is that IMS is only one of several possible engine failures that can occur that will total the engine. On here, in the 10+ years there have been very few IMS failures (some but not many I'd guess less than 5 out of 1000s of owners) but I recall more engines being totalled through other failures e.g. bearing shells failing which has been of the most common failure I think. I don't recall a single Tip engine failure. The point is that to spend probably 30% of the cars total value to protect again one possible but really very unlikely failure mode doesn't really make sense when another can hit you similarly without warning and without any recourse but to a new engine.
If you're already getting the clutch done then maybe it makes some sense but in the case of a Tip, I would personally leave it well alone and spend the money elsewhere or just save it so if the worst happens you have the funds available to replace the engine or just to cover the loss if you sell it on for scrap.
Alright I see what you mean. I'm new to the Porsche world and I'm not going to lie the contradictory info makes decisions challenging. In my mind the IMSB was always the most likely cause of engine failure, but if it's not then you're right, the money is better kept for other repairs that'll undoubtedly come.
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1 hour ago, Castaway said:
What he said. Save your money and replace the IMS only if it begins to go, which it probably won’t. You’ll need the money for suspension and brakes, 4-wheel alignment and other surprises the car throws at you (£200 yesterday for a new steering lock)! I spent £1600 on a suspension refresh just to get the car to handle like it should and without creaking.
All fair points. I have no doubt that there is more spending coming my way other than the IMS. The difference is that bad brakes or suspension can be replaced before engine failure, while an IMS (if it breaks with no warning) could lead to a totalled car.
I don’t know who here is a mechanic and has been around these cars enough, but what % of failed IMSs let go slowly enough to be noticed and replaced veggie engine failure? That’s really the question I think
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1 hour ago, mike597 said:
I hope you do. But I've seen a lot like you that fret about IMS and end up buying a BMW instead.
Haha I wouldn’t do this much research then buy a BMW. I rented a 2016 boxster last year and fell in love; I won’t settle.
The simple fact is that the IMS became a class action lawsuit for a reason. I don’t think it’s completely smoke and mirrors.
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Just now, mike597 said:
He's not actually bought it yet and my guess is he won't.
I’m definitely buying it. The only question is whether to replace the IMS or not
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12 minutes ago, Boxob said:
It could be just a function of there being fewer tips than manuals so fewer reports of failures but then again it could be due to the absence of a clutch? The problem is getting at the facts! Worth researching before spending!
There are no facts, there are only stories from owners
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2 minutes ago, Boxob said:
It's certainly true that I don't recall such a failure being reported on here. The "general wisdom" is from posts on here and casual internet research I've done on the IMS bearing issue.
Interesting, I’ll have to do my own research. I never really looked into whether there’s a difference in failure rates due to the transmission
I'm looking at a used 2003 986 tiptronic that blew its IMSB and had its engine replaced. Am I taking a risk when buying a car that's had its engine replaced?
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I visited Paul at his garage yesterday and he walked me through what to look for in 986s. He's clearly an expert and knows 986s inside and out. Highly recommended.
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