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3 hours ago, bandit_287 said:
Mines a late 2015 with PASM, I’m beginning to wish it didn’t have it as those mounts appear to be a liability. If I do get a failure the cars under a third party warrant that hopefully should cover it/them.
This could be a typo. If not PASM /= PADM
PADM in theory are a good thing improving handling, whist also improving comfort whist tootling. Obviously when it goes wrong though it’s not ideal.
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5 hours ago, alank said:
Just managed to get the hourly rate increased to £200+vat,
How? At increased price?
If it was just a case of asking for it, and getting it, that would worry me! Would reek of a company that never intended to pay out.
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It’s a difficult one. Whatever warranty company you choose there will be plenty of stories of claims not paid. There are lots of people with moans about the Porsche warranty, some people just have unrealistic views on what a warranty will cover. That MOTOREASY policy looks very good in theory.
Ive had a few claims on the Porsche warranty (fan, drive train mounts, PSE) and all have been painless and efficient, the advantage of Porsche working directly with the warranty company does make it smooth. However I’ve had one claim that wasn’t covered (steering rack) because it turned out the damage had been caused by physical impact (unbeknown to me).
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Note- you may experience more buffeting with a clear/solid deflector as opposed to a mesh one.
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10 hours ago, Stuart21UK said:
is the base a 2 litre?
how does it drive?
enough performance?
real world mpg?
though looking it makes no sense to save a couple of mpg and £2300 not to go at least 's'
Funnily enough, as I was driving yesterday I was thinking to myself, wow this goes well for a 2 litre in a big car. I had a base Macan as a hire last year and didn’t remember it being quite so brisk. Anyway, turns out it was an ‘S’ I had yesterday. I was (understandably) confused by a complete lack of any badging, it had been de-badged and even the sill kick plates just said Macan.
I agree with you, for the cost up shift the S seems like a no brainier, unless there are tax implications I’m not aware of. As for MPG, I averaged 26 in the 70 miles I did, which was a drive in and out of Stockport town centre, 20 miles on a motorway, and a bit of a spirited play back on country roads, you could comfortably get it down to 20 with a heavy right foot. I don’t think it seemed appreciably worse mpg wise than the Base model I had last year which I averaged a similar figure on around the same mileage but in and out of Sheffield. Longer term owners should be able to give more accurate feedback though.
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So my PSE was replaced today for a new box fresh item (Warranty wins again🤑). They also replaced the exhaust tips, which wasn’t really necessary, but I can confirm that the PSE tips have 88/90mm exits. So in my case my standard non PSE exhaust that the car was delivered with also have these same tips.
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I’ve got this one as a hire car today.
Neither me or the Mrs like the colour (crayon).
Base Macan but fully loaded (extended leather, PASM, PSE, Chrono, loads of driver assist options etc.
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1 hour ago, Ringmaster999 said:
Took a call from my local OPC this afternoon. Was due to drop off the car Monday for retro fit of the PSE Tuesday. They now inform me the exhaust is on back order with no date for arrival 😩 Gutted. So just guess I’ll have to wait
Unlucky.
But yes, I am having mine replaced on Monday due to stuck valves, has been two weeks getting the exhaust into the dealer, there were none in the country apparently, well there is now but it has my name on it 😜
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1 hour ago, Alan said:
It’s a “sealed for life” item. Unfortunately the life seems short in my experience.
Indeed. I think however it isn’t the ferrofluid aspect that actually fails, it’s seems to be shorts in the electromagnet element that causes the issue. I assume (speculation) that the continual movement of the unit causes either some fatigue to set in to the coils or there is some friction that wears through somehow. I was told by the Porsche technician that the design had changed and he hadn’t seen any failures of the newer design units, whether or not that’s true or just bluster I don’t know.
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Right, so if they are 90mm they are probably the same as mine which Definately work fine on the PSE, so if I were you I’d be saving a few hundred and reusing these.
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1 hour ago, Patt said:
From memory the exit pipes are 3-4 mm larger on PSE
Just measured mine. The external diameter of the exhaust tips are 88mm on both the PSE tip and the standard as fitted to my stock ‘S’.
So either:
1. My standard exhaust was supplied with the Sports tips.
2. My PSE was supplied with the standard tips
3. There is in fact no difference (as my Experiance).
Im genuinely interested in the answer, maybe you two could measure the external diameter of your tips?
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21 minutes ago, Patt said:
Sports tailpipe is slightly larger diameter.
Have you got a quote from your local indi, as usually significantly cheaper than OPC?
Revolution had just fitted the PSE to a 981 when I was up there last month, for example. I know I paid significantly less to have Revolution fit my X73 Sports suspension kit.
Humm... whilst I believe the slightly larger pipe is maybe the case, I can say in my example if there is any difference it’s marginal, even holding the old next to the new!
if you do swap the tips then there is definitely a market for your old tips (for those in a base trying to mimic an ‘S’ 😀)
When I had mine done I spoke to Revolution, but it was clear they hadn’t done one before and they quoted the standard 8 hrs, so I went with OPC which were quoting barely any more. This was 3 years ago so by now I expect they will have done a few.
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12 hours ago, Ringmaster999 said:
So when the retro fit is done is there any value in the old system?I have the twin pipe end. Should I take it back from the OPC and keep/sell it or possibly scrap it. Aren’t the cats worth scrap money due to the precious metals?
There’s not much value in the old exhaust (£100-200 on eBay) this is because a number of people have had PSE upgrades so there are a few old exhausts knocking about and The cars aren’t old enough for the original exhausts to have rotted away, hence no demand.
Note- you don’t need to rebuy the exhaust tips if you already have them, they should do quotes with and without the tips (as per the Design 911 prices).
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1 hour ago, Ringmaster999 said:
Not a bad idea looking at there prices.
Bear in mind on top of the above price you have to buy the switch which is £215 on their site. Also it’s not clear whether all the vacuum lines, solenoid switch etc etc come with the above. The install is 8 hrs OPC standard timing and requires PIWIS for coding the switch.
even so over £3000 is outrageous when these were being installed wildly for just over £2000 very recently. I recall one particular OPC doing a special of £1600 all in, but I’ve not seen such a deal since.
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Aka Drone.
some just seem more sensitive to it than others. With PDK, 70-80mph in 7th puts you in the range 2000-2400rpm that seems to be the critical revs for drone. A manual puts you just above the worse rev range on the motorway so not so much of a problem. Note- PSE in quiet mode is still louder than the standard exhaust.
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I had it retro fitted.
There are about 20+ parts to Fit along with the actual exhaust components, namely wiring, vacuum lines, vacuum switch solenoid, and new console switch. Unfortunately a whole new programmable console switch unit ( not just the individual switch) is required. This then needs to be programmed via PIWIS. I think it was 6 hrs (?) labour for the OPC.
The switchable nature is a big advantage if yours is a daily driver and/or do much motorway mileage (especially if you have PDK). Motorway drone is reduced somewhat on the motorway.
Also I THINK that when you get PSE coded by PIWIS it actually changes the fuel map to provoke more crackle and pop, so without that encoding you won’t get so much (if that’s what you are after). Otherwise as said you could just buy the exhaust components and get a local garage to install for you and it will default to loud mode.
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On 4/7/2020 at 5:05 PM, GTSMarky said:
Is there a 'How To' video out there somewhere to get to these mounts?
If it's 4 hours of Porsche technician time double or treble that for a home mechanic job, unless there's some special unobtainable tools needed..
I found this Facebook post related to performing this work, I don’t have Facebook so I’ve no idea if it’s useful (front page looks interesting), maybe someone check it out and see, it could just be the front page?
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10 minutes ago, Menoporsche said:
Has anybody noticed if one side seems to be more susceptible than the other? If you've seen "plenty of people" it seems a logical question to ask.
It’s a reasonable question but perhaps not quite as easy to answer as you might imagine. When you have an issue it doesn’t report which side you have a problem with; the OPC has to run some diagnostics to determine the issue. Most of these have been replaced under warranty and you get provided with very little info by the OPC in this case. I suspect you would have to get info from a Porsche technician to get any sort of accurate info.
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1 hour ago, 986CKY said:
I was under the impression these mounts worked in comfort mode unless you hit the sports plus button so if the magnetic field shorts out and you get a code fired up and the mounts are technically still in comfort mode what is the harm in just getting rid of the code like you would if you fit standard engine mounts?
Or does this mean the mounts are no longer firm enough when driving in anger?
From reading many of posts online now regarding PADM failure and people being out of warranty I am shocked most don't just fit standard mounts. Especially if Chrono never gets used in their cars.
I think you are correct aka how they work, as far as I know they don’t do anything different in comfort mode (I.e. act like a standard mount) but I’m not 100% on this, maybe they work like PASM and are always active but in two levels of stiffness? I do get the impression though that the active mounts are a bit more comfort oriented when not active (obviously less compromise needs to be made w.r.t the passive units)
As for the second point. If one of these goes it would cost you around £1000 part plus 4 hours labour to fix, an alternative would be to change both mounts for passive units, in which case you buy two passive mounts, more labour (maybe not quite double) and coding of PIWIS to code out the mounts. Likely the cost of the second option would be similar to the first. You then have a car without the advantages of the active mounts, a reduced value etc etc. So most would go with the first option.
Interestingly when I had my second unit replaced (both under warranty) I raised this passive option with the technician; you would have thought I’d have suggested replacing the engine oil with lard the look I got; followed by ‘you wouldn’t want to do that’. So I never actually got confirmation that it was or wasn’t possible.
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22 hours ago, J & F Hux said:
thanks all, for the above.
Its a difficult call now whether to do one, or both?
i.e if they fail at random, "bad batch" and so on, likelihood is that the opposite side could also be affected.
In my case I had issues with both, but there seem plenty of people where just one has gone and the other has been fine. Based on my Experiance of cost etc the part costs around £1000. With 4 hours labour, I suspect if you had both sides done at the same time it would be around 6 hrs labour, so having them done together would only save you 2 hrs labour (my guesstimate of course). You could get quotes for both, but if it was me I suspect I’d just be changing one.
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18 hours ago, Paul P said:
from what I have read, parts "relatively" cheap - labour (engine out) killer - so maybe do both sides while it is in pieces.
Not really. Part is £1000ish a side. Labour is about 4 hrs, it isn’t engine out.
5 hours ago, Patt said:I didn't say it would feel normal. Feels a lot less tight and sloppy - as if the suspension were way past its replacement date of 1984
When my first one went Porsche assistance said their computer didn't categorise it as a return to base fault.
When the AA man came out, we agreed it was not "fit for purpose" and he made some calls that resulted in a low loader collecting it and taking it over to Reading OPC.
When the second went - I told OPC to call Porsche Assist as I was not prepared to jump through the hoops.
It is not an engine out job, seem to recall 2 hours but I'll hunt through my emails and see if I still have the quote they sent me.
It looks like there are different failure modes, as when each of mine went you could barely tell, certainly in normal day to day driving,.
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I had a 2.0 Macan as a Courtesy car a few months ago, I thought performance wise it was perfectly adequate (are we really saying 260bhp is too little power for a small SUV?) without much real excitement.
What I found most disappointing was that I only got just over 20 mpg on my journey to/from the dealer 25 miles of country roads 5 miles urban each way. A journey that my Boxster S usually sees 25-30 mpg.
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23 hours ago, daz05 said:
Think I may reinstate my warranty when I approach that mileage lol.
I don’t think these are really mileage related, I had one replaced at around 13k and onother at 19k, they are just pretty random if you happen to have a bad batch.
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33 minutes ago, Patt said:
I've had two replaced so far in less than 2000 miles under extended warranty - think they quoted £2500 for the last one.
2014 with 35K
£2500 - they must be mistaken (or maybe quoting the cost of doing two)? My OPC had mine done in under 4 hours, I know this as I picked it up done 4 hrs after dropping off, and the part as quoted above is around £900-1000. So I’m not sure how they could inflate that to £2500
Porsche Active Dynamic Mount (PADM) Fault
in 981
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Yes active drivechain mounts (PADM) come as part of the Sport Chrono package (lap timing clock on the dash). Otherwise you have passive (rubber) units. These are completely independent to PASM.