topradio Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I don't believe that the PSE hardware will be any different on the GTS, however the engine will have a alternative map and the exhaust note could well be even more sporty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 4 hours ago, RBD914 v2 said: Your first statement was correct, PSE is standard on the GTS! Oh...couldn't see reference to it online as a standard feature...common sense says it was likely to be though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorsh Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 12 hours ago, Buzzfox said: Probably should know this as I own one but how does the PSE on the GTS differ from the S? I've not heard a PSE equipped 'S' at any decent revs so didn't realise they were different. I can't find anything to quote from, but Porsche said the GTS exhaust had different sound characteristics, plus there is a sound feed to the cabin - all designed to give the GTS a more dramatic and exciting soundtrack. I'm sure someone will know the full details and will post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 So after looking at after market systems and the official PSE on design911, it turns out the cost is there abouts the same. £2k when you factor in labour. I'm sure it'll be wise to go the official Porsche route as they'll know what their doing as opposed to my speacialist who haven't done any PSE retrofits on a 981 boxster. It's a lot of money for some sound, Maybe i should just drive my car a bit harder to give a similar effect? Ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo_UK Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 You know you want to..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 On 6/21/2016 at 8:14 PM, Gorsh said: I can't find anything to quote from, but Porsche said the GTS exhaust had different sound characteristics, plus there is a sound feed to the cabin - all designed to give the GTS a more dramatic and exciting soundtrack. I'm sure someone will know the full details and will post them. link to US Brochures are on here and the 981 GTS says PSE but nothing about it being different to normal PSE http://www.auto-brochures.com/porsche.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Guys, I've been watching endless videos of aftermarket exhausts on caymans and boxsters on YouTube - I'm either going to be £2k poorer or need to find another way round this! Some say aftermarket tips from fab speed can help the note sound throatier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorsh Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 On 6/22/2016 at 8:30 PM, boxsternoob56 said: link to US Brochures are on here and the 981 GTS says PSE but nothing about it being different to normal PSE http://www.auto-brochures.com/porsche.html I have the UK Boxster brochure and no mention of it being different there either. There have been loads of references to it being different (on PH and Planet 9 I think) - it certainly sounds different, but that may be down to the tuning of the engine being different. Who cares - it sounds great anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorsh Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 4 hours ago, np90 said: Guys, I've been watching endless videos of aftermarket exhausts on caymans and boxsters on YouTube - I'm either going to be £2k poorer or need to find another way round this! Some say aftermarket tips from fab speed can help the note sound throatier? You need to get yourself out for a test drive in a car same as yours, take note of the better exhaust sound even with PSE turned off, then turn it on - drive a few miles as it sounds better when really warmed up. Then you can decide - one consolation is it will add some value when you sell it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gorsh said: You need to get yourself out for a test drive in a car same as yours, take note of the better exhaust sound even with PSE turned off, then turn it on - drive a few miles as it sounds better when really warmed up. Then you can decide - one consolation is it will add some value when you sell it on. the flaw in that statement is he WONT want to sell it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gorsh said: You need to get yourself out for a test drive in a car same as yours, take note of the better exhaust sound even with PSE turned off, then turn it on - drive a few miles as it sounds better when really warmed up. Then you can decide - one consolation is it will add some value when you sell it on. Hi - yeah I've now had it 3 months and at first it felt amazing, I mean it's my first Porsche and I'm a fairly young driver but my cousin just got a 991s and man does that sound good!! I just feel that sound plays a bit part in a sports car driving experience. Not many std 981 boxsters have PSE fitted, will it really add any value back on the car? Mine has SC, PASM, in addition to the more common extras. PSE was all that was missing but I didn't know it was separate when buying, I was told it was in the SC package by the salesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorsh Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 If that was an OPC you should have complained - a good negotiating point for discount on PSE! I think it would add some value though obviously not £2k, it definitely adds desirability too. Depending on how long you are planning on keeping the car is a big factor, over say five years it is IMO worth it, but a year or two maybe not. A 991s is a different beast - and a whole lot more expensive, but it won't handle quite as well as yours - the Boxster/Cayman are fantastic cars, but if money was no problem I would have something like a new 991 C4s at least for a few years - I had a 911 itch long before the Boxster was made but being able to afford a new BGTS last year was amazing and needless to say I'm very very satisfied with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 It wasn't an OPC otherwise I'd most definitely being using that to bargain. I don't see myself keeping it 5 years, only because I don't drive much and so usually chop change cars before the depression starts to hurt. 1-2 years is about right. Mind you if I knew I could get £20k for my 62 plate 981 in 5 years then I'd definitely keep it and install PSE! Anyone got a crystal ball? Haha. I've started to look into a more cost effective change of exhaust tips, some reviews suggest an aftermarket tip can give a throatier note. Dont get me wrong I love the 981 and think it's beautiful. But I've driven alongside too many f types recently which are noticably louder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 18 hours ago, np90 said: It wasn't an OPC otherwise I'd most definitely being using that to bargain. I don't see myself keeping it 5 years, only because I don't drive much and so usually chop change cars before the depression starts to hurt. 1-2 years is about right. Mind you if I knew I could get £20k for my 62 plate 981 in 5 years then I'd definitely keep it and install PSE! Anyone got a crystal ball? Haha. I've started to look into a more cost effective change of exhaust tips, some reviews suggest an aftermarket tip can give a throatier note. Dont get me wrong I love the 981 and think it's beautiful. But I've driven alongside too many f types recently which are noticably louder! there are always other options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 What are people's thoughts on a exhaust fabrication? Hayward and Scott have good reviews across various forums and the cost is 1/4 of that of PSE. Granted their bypass isn't switchable. Any had this done on. 2.7 981? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topradio Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I think the thing is that you are in unknown territory with a custom exhaust and, speaking personally, if I was looking at a secondhand 981 and it had an aftermarket exhaust on it, I would pass. Although I know that not everybody would agree with me. You could take the 'SmartTop rental' theory and buy and fit that secondhand PSE and then refit your old one when you sell the car. You can then sell the genuine PSE, perhaps for most of the cash you paid, effectively having rented it. You could of course do the same with your custom one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Hi, you're right but the 2k for PSE is just too steep and from YouTube videos it doesn't seem that much of an improvement when compared against the Borla / fab speed etc. From the guys I've spoken with the fabrication would be completely revisible BUT it's a sunk cost as no one will buy a custom exhaust after. If there was a used PSE going I'd probably go for it but struggling to find one. Plus I'd have to pay someone to fit it. When push comes to shove I may as well let Porsche do it for £2k. And hope I can get an extra £1k when it comes to resell. The fabrication is pricing in at around £600 fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topradio Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 This one is still available http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-PORSCHE-BOXSTER-981-3-4-GTS-PDK-SPORTS-EXHAUST-MUFFLERS-TAIL-PIPE-CAYMAN-/401126218485?hash=item5d64fc5af5:g:ldgAAOSwQaJXRUrn You could make them an offer and perhaps get it for a sensible price. If they still have the car you could perhaps negotiate getting the other hardware (switch panel etc) and speak to somebody like Revolution, get them to fit & wire it in and do the coding (they may relish the challenge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I've made some enquiries but it'll be a lot of work for an inde to do, and the ones in London all charge atleast £60-70/hour, at a full days work that's another £400. Unless I can get that gts PSE system for less than say £800, allow £150 for the switch, I'm £500 better off than getting it all new and fitted by Porsche but I'd question whether the complexity is really worth that saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgt3 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I've driven 981S and GTS and the GTS definitely feels like it has more pops and crackles on the overrun and is definitely louder, very noticable in sport mode. The power difference is negligible so the main attraction of going for the more expensive GTS for me would be the better sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 You're not the first to mention that the gts PSE is better. Perhaps this would bridge the gap between standard PSE and an aftermarket system like Borla whilst having the switch and looking OEM! I'll ring around a couple of Porsche inde's and see what they'd quote for an PSE install. If anyone can recommend any inde's within 30 miles of north London, I'd appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 25 minutes ago, cgt3 said: I've driven 981S and GTS and the GTS definitely feels like it has more pops and crackles on the overrun and is definitely louder, very noticable in sport mode. The power difference is negligible so the main attraction of going for the more expensive GTS for me would be the better sound. The car is different when cold or warm, with Sport/Sport Plus etc are you sure it was like for like circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topradio Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I would put money on it that the GTS PSE hardware is the same as fitted to the standard car. Any perceived extra pops and crackles will be due to the different engine mapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np90 Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Just came across this: Link i know it's just people talking on a forum but I'll phone a couple garages tomorrow and ask. Will let you guys know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgt3 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 1 hour ago, boxsternoob56 said: The car is different when cold or warm, with Sport/Sport Plus etc are you sure it was like for like circumstances? I've driven both extensively and to me the GTS definitely was louder like for like. Even starting up in the garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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