phazed Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 I must say my 987.1 with the PASM feels absolutely perfect on track with standard suspension set up. Porsche certainly know what they are doing. Even with a PASM switched out, it feels good. Will make a couple of phone calls tomorrow. Will make a couple of phone calls tomorrow. Car at the moment looks like a mere skeleton of itself upon the two post lift. Everything is stripped off and the surrounding shelves and floor, looking like the start of a jigsaw puzzle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 Just now, phazed said: I must say my 987.1 with the PASM feels absolutely perfect on track with standard suspension set up. Porsche certainly know what they are doing. Even with a PASM switched out, it feels good. Will make a couple of phone calls tomorrow. Will make a couple of phone calls tomorrow. Car at the moment looks like a mere skeleton of itself upon the two post lift. Everything is stripped off and the surrounding shelves and floor, looking like the start of a jigsaw puzzle! You must be doing a good job then! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 9 hours ago, zagamuffin said: That changed quick , now over £900 Check Autodoc on a good discount day on their app, they will be under £900, currently £786.70 at only 30%, but remember the 7-8 days shipping. Their Sachs (Factory OE) front top mounts are also priced under £30 today which is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 @phazed what also dramatically improves feel is new inner and outer steering arms even if they do not feel worn. I refreshed mine with TRW (OE supplier) at the start of this year and it just gave the steering a much more direct feel. Inner 996 347 322 03 or TRW JAR1013 (comes with clips, boot, nut and rack grease), outer 996 347 131 03 or TRW JTE760, currently £17.09 and £30.57 respectively each on Autodoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 There are lots of different Koni spec dampers. The FSD/Special Active is good value for the road but if I was building a track focussed car I'd probably look elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 I hear what you are saying. After a lot of research last night, without spending a fortune, the Bilstein B8 with 30 mm lowered springs seems to be a fair compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 I have just been browsing through the various pages on suspension upgrades on the Design911 site. I have already spent at least 6K in my mind! Obviously this isn’t going to happen and having all these sweets on the shelf just makes life difficult! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 Told you, currently 3 figures per set of parts, easy to get into 4 figures... I'll go back to my earlier quote 'Going fast costs money. How fast do you want to go?'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV8 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 7:54 PM, phazed said: Have noticed that there is a set of Koni Special Active Dampers available at Design 911 for £744 delivered. Obviously I would have to buy a good quality set of springs to match. Was thinking that a set of Eibach uprated springs would be a good match. Anyone had any experience of these? There is loads of stuff on 996 suspension options on 911uk. Different cars for sure but lots of similar parts. 12 cars with a variety of brands and specifications. The organiser Mike / Maldren is fairly local and seems like a helpful guy the couple of times I have met him. Koni/eibach gets a mention https://911uk.com/threads/suspension-comparing-damper-options.104848/page-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV8 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/26/2023 at 4:51 PM, phazed said: I have just been browsing through the various pages on suspension upgrades on the Design911 site. I have already spent at least 6K in my mind! Obviously this isn’t going to happen and having all these sweets on the shelf just makes life difficult! No swapping nitron suspension for track days with this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, TV8 said: There is loads of stuff on 996 suspension options on 911uk. Different cars for sure but lots of similar parts. 12 cars with a variety of brands and specifications. The organiser Mike / Maldren is fairly local and seems like a helpful guy the couple of times I have met him. Koni/eibach gets a mention https://911uk.com/threads/suspension-comparing-damper-options.104848/page-6 The weight distribution at the rear of the 996 is completely different to the 986 so take care! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) After a lot of deliberation and web wandering I ordered a set of Billy B8’s with a set of H&R 30 mm lower springs. These coupled with polybushes on the suspension and ARB’s and a few tweaks should get me going and take it from there. Thanks for all your help guys… Edited November 28, 2023 by phazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 I would also get some rose joint adjustable rear toe links. You will most likely need them to get the optimum or more aggressive geo for the track with that suspension choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 OK thanks. I will look into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just keep what you've got and get a DSC sport controller. You won't believe what it does and you can easily tune just about every aspect of the car's handling a with laptop. It does real time data logging too. You'll have a more comfortable road car that will become a track monster at the touch of a button. Lot of money new but they do come up used from time to time. I got mine on 911.com for less than half price. And a nice member on here sold me a cheap accelerometer which you need with .1 cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, JonSta said: Just keep what you've got and get a DSC sport controller. You won't believe what it does and you can easily tune just about every aspect of the car's handling a with laptop. It does real time data logging too. You'll have a more comfortable road car that will become a track monster at the touch of a button. Lot of money new but they do come up used from time to time. I got mine on 911.com for less than half price. And a nice member on here sold me a cheap accelerometer which you need with .1 cars. Not much use on a 986 with no PASM options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 I thought he said he was using the nice RS60 with PASM. Did I miss a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Nope, the RS60 is wrapped up nicely in the garage under a cover till spring. All this is on a 986S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricof Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Speak to David at Copse Automotive near Woking. They are Porsche specialists who do the mechanicals and setup/tuning for a lot of the 986 race cars, including at least one season podium car. Aside from that, BC Racing coilovers are well regarded and fairly 'affordable' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Too late! Billies delivered today… Thanks anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 Does it have a sump baffle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) M96 and M97 engines have a sump baffle, but as they have a shallow sump (they can be considered in a way to be dry sump) the key for track use is the deep sump as the oil pick up is only on one side of the engine. Edited November 29, 2023 by ½cwt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 What e said… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazed Posted November 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 Deep sump in a box… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricof Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 19 hours ago, ½cwt said: M96 and M97 engines have a sump baffle, but as they have a shallow sump (they can be considered in a way to be dry sump) the key for track use is the deep sump as the oil pick up is only on one side of the engine. And critically, an extended pick up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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