Happy Days Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Had my 718S since new, 44.5k on the clock. Yesterday, I lost all drive in 3rd gear. Everything else is fine, all gears selecting as normal, no noise, no leaks, just no drive in 3rd. Any gearbox specialists in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) Manual or pdk? (Assuming a manual) I assume no warranty? Where are you located in the country? Edited March 12 by moonshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 I'd be looking at linkages and springs before opening the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 12 Author Report Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, moonshine said: Manual or pdk? (Assuming a manual) Yes, manual 6 speed. From what I can see online, there's a gear that had previously been located by a key that was changed to a weld instead. The weld gives up and therefore no drive. All other gears are working perfectly. Unfortunately for me, no extended warranty as I don't do big miles and my last 986 gave no issues in the 11 years that I ran it as a daily. I'm anticipating a large bill for a new gearbox as apparently Porsche don't allow repairs to this box. I wonder will Porsche UK contribute? Was a known fault on 981GT4 which used the same gearbox, but as most were tracked, the issue came to light very early and most were replaced under warranty. Only applies to the very first 718s though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 12 Author Report Share Posted March 12 Just now, Menoporsche said: I'd be looking at linkages and springs before opening the box. Booked to go to Belfast on Thursday for investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 OPC told me 6250 plus VAT for an exchange PDK for my 981. And yes not many people will repair. There are a few companies now popping up who are willing to have a go. I can offer some suggestions if it comes to that. Keep us posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Don't know if in anyway relevant to the OP's car but interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmand Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 49 minutes ago, Happy Days said: Yes, manual 6 speed. From what I can see online, there's a gear that had previously been located by a key that was changed to a weld instead. The weld gives up and therefore no drive. All other gears are working perfectly. Unfortunately for me, no extended warranty as I don't do big miles and my last 986 gave no issues in the 11 years that I ran it as a daily. I'm anticipating a large bill for a new gearbox as apparently Porsche don't allow repairs to this box. I wonder will Porsche UK contribute? Was a known fault on 981GT4 which used the same gearbox, but as most were tracked, the issue came to light very early and most were replaced under warranty. Only applies to the very first 718s though. No issues with repairs to a manual box that I’ve heard of, I thought the “fix” to the GT4 issue was achieved by a repair rather than a replacement? PDK another matter entirely. Have you had the car serviced by an OPC? If so there should be a contribution from Porsche given the age/ mileage. I run the extended warranty basically to cover the engine and gearbox - everything else seems to be a challenge to get approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 This thread seems to talk to replacements https://www.718forum.com/threads/manual-718-cayman-s-3rd-gear-gone.7162/#replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 12 Author Report Share Posted March 12 37 minutes ago, ATM said: OPC told me 6250 plus VAT for an exchange PDK for my 981. And yes not many people will repair. There are a few companies now popping up who are willing to have a go. I can offer some suggestions if it comes to that. Keep us posted. It's a manual. Don't suppose an exchange is an option! 17 minutes ago, Carmand said: No issues with repairs to a manual box that I’ve heard of, I thought the “fix” to the GT4 issue was achieved by a repair rather than a replacement? PDK another matter entirely. Have you had the car serviced by an OPC? If so there should be a contribution from Porsche given the age/ mileage. I run the extended warranty basically to cover the engine and gearbox - everything else seems to be a challenge to get approved. From what I have read online, it's a replacement. I didn't opt for extended warranty given the low mileage, the need for OPC servicing (100 miles round trip plus a day hanging about) and the fact that my 986 was bulletproof. 15 minutes ago, iborguk said: This thread seems to talk to replacements https://www.718forum.com/threads/manual-718-cayman-s-3rd-gear-gone.7162/#replies Yes, I read that thread plus a few others. I don't suppose they will have exchange units available like the mass manufacturers often do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 24 minutes ago, Happy Days said: It's a manual. Don't suppose an exchange is an option! From what I have read online, it's a replacement. I didn't opt for extended warranty given the low mileage, the need for OPC servicing (100 miles round trip plus a day hanging about) and the fact that my 986 was bulletproof. Yes, I read that thread plus a few others. I don't suppose they will have exchange units available like the mass manufacturers often do. What model year is the car ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 21 minutes ago, Happy Days said: It's a manual. Don't suppose an exchange is an option! Yes it is. I thought my PDK was broke or dead. If no one can fix them then you need to replace. Porsche offer an exchange so it is not quite as expensive as just buying outright. I asked about a manual box for the 996 and this is not offered on an exchange basis and costs 10500 plus VAT. So that gives you an idea. The only stipulation with the exchange is it has to pass a visual inspection. So my 981 was crash damaged and I told the guy in the OPC this so he cautioned me that if it has any external damage it will not pass a visual inspection otherwise it is fine. So Porsche are not only cornering the market by only offering replacement only and selling no parts to be used in repairs but they are also scooping up the damaged boxes by doing this on an exchange basis only. Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Wow. You bought that new IIRC. I’d be shouting loudly about not fit for purpose, emphasis on loudly ie with a national newspaper journalist or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 12 Author Report Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, iborguk said: What model year is the car ? Collected on 11 November 2016 with 12 miles on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 12 Author Report Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, ATM said: Yes it is. I thought my PDK was broke or dead. If no one can fix them then you need to replace. Porsche offer an exchange so it is not quite as expensive as just buying outright. I asked about a manual box for the 996 and this is not offered on an exchange basis and costs 10500 plus VAT. So that gives you an idea. The only stipulation with the exchange is it has to pass a visual inspection. So my 981 was crash damaged and I told the guy in the OPC this so he cautioned me that if it has any external damage it will not pass a visual inspection otherwise it is fine. So Porsche are not only cornering the market by only offering replacement only and selling no parts to be used in repairs but they are also scooping up the damaged boxes by doing this on an exchange basis only. Make sense? Gulp. and that was at least a year ago if I recall your posting. Plus a new clutch (obviously) and the labour. Looks like it's going to be an expensive job. shyate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Happy Days said: Gulp. and that was at least a year ago if I recall your posting. Plus a new clutch (obviously) and the labour. Looks like it's going to be an expensive job. shyate. Probably 3 years ago I think. Its worth noting my points about no parts for sale form Porsche. So if someone is intending to repair and you need replacement parts where would they get these from? I would be looking to source a used box from a crash damaged car. Unless you want to get up to shenanigans. Like add a warranty to the car noW. Wait a few months. Then claim the gearbox broke. Edited March 12 by ATM Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Happy Days said: Gulp. and that was at least a year ago if I recall your posting. Plus a new clutch (obviously) and the labour. Looks like it's going to be an expensive job. shyate. So ballpark £5K for an exchange and £9K for a new manual one. Plus the labour to fit. Edited March 12 by iborguk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmand Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Have a look at the RPM Technik website https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/transmission-upgrades/ They seem to do all sorts of gearbox repairs and upgrades so it doesn’t seem impossible. Worth having a chat with? Maybe something they’ve seen before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, Carmand said: Have a look at the RPM Technik website https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/transmission-upgrades/ They seem to do all sorts of gearbox repairs and upgrades so it doesn’t seem impossible. Worth having a chat with? Maybe something they’ve seen before. The final drive or diff is a separate part to the gearbox. It bolts into the side. I know these are easy enough to get to. Opening up the gearbox and changing the actual gears inside is a much different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmand Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 9 minutes ago, ATM said: The final drive or diff is a separate part to the gearbox. It bolts into the side. I know these are easy enough to get to. Opening up the gearbox and changing the actual gears inside is a much different story. I’ve never dealt with them but from their website:- We have a dedicated engine transmission facility that specialises in rebuilding and upgrading Porsche gearboxes to improve performance and reliability. Situated in the heart of the workshop units, our highly experienced engineers have a well-equipped and hyper-clean environment for undertaking your gearbox rebuild. All Porsche gearbox upgrades are completed by our lead engineer with over 20 years of experience working on Porsche transmissions. The range of gearboxes we can rebuild and upgrade covers Porsche 901, 905, G50 (5 and 6 speed), through to 996, 997, 991 and Boxster/Cayman gearboxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 (edited) 17 hours ago, iborguk said: So ballpark £5K for an exchange and £9K for a new manual one. Plus the labour to fit. Don't think exchanges are available. I'm thinking of 15k plus fitting plus clutch. The car might even be an economic write off. What's a 2016 718S worth? 25k? 17 hours ago, Carmand said: Have a look at the RPM Technik website https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/transmission-upgrades/ They seem to do all sorts of gearbox repairs and upgrades so it doesn’t seem impossible. Worth having a chat with? Maybe something they’ve seen before. I have been in touch with a UK company called ASR Repairs who offer gearbox repairs. Trouble is, you lot have no idea how the 2016 referendum decision has made getting goods moved between NI and the UK so difficult despite what everyone says. I recently bought a load of machinery from Axminster and had to get EORI, XI EORI and TSS numbers before a carrier would accept the delivery. Might be a similar situation getting a gearbox to and from UK. Plus I'd imagine it would be heavy which = expensive. I will be leaving the car into Porsche Belfast this evening and hopefully they will find a diagnostic slot over the next week or so. Edited March 13 by Happy Days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDonald Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 54 minutes ago, Happy Days said: I will be leaving the car into Porsche Belfast this evening and hopefully they will find a diagnostic slot over the next week or so. Best of luck. Hope their findings are less disastrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Happy Days said: Don't think exchanges are available. I'm thinking of 15k plus fitting plus clutch. The car might even be an economic write off. What's a 2016 718S worth? 25k? I have been in touch with a UK company called ASR Repairs who offer gearbox repairs. Trouble is, you lot have no idea how the 2016 referendum decision has made getting goods moved between NI and the UK so difficult despite what everyone says. I recently bought a load of machinery from Axminster and had to get EORI, XI EORI and TSS numbers before a carrier would accept the delivery. Might be a similar situation getting a gearbox to and from UK. Plus I'd imagine it would be heavy which = expensive. I will be leaving the car into Porsche Belfast this evening and hopefully they will find a diagnostic slot over the next week or so. There are part numbers for exchange manual boxes so I think that option exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 41 minutes ago, iborguk said: There are part numbers for exchange manual boxes so I think that option exists. Ok, good to know! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zagamuffin Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 I’d be contacting a UK breaker and driving over and back in 24hr’s to collect it. Cheaper/quicker in the short run and get a local garage to fit inc new clutch kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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