What tyres

[charlieboy2608]

Mine had Uniroyal rainsports on it when i made the purchase.

I'm not doing track days or racing away from the lights/round bends at break neck speeds so i'm comfortable with the tyre's my vehicle wears which are mid-range I guess?

I appreciate that some would want to keep it original/update to the latest in tyre specification but I also appreciate that some people only use their cars on sunny days with the wind in their hair-not that I have much hair 😉

[Cheddar Bob]

9 hours ago, ½cwt said:

There were the clues:

'If you want to see what my cheapo tyres will do, come to Donnington in March with your expensive ones and if you are many seconds quicker than me'

and

'I expect you will be no faster or slower.'

You might want to quote my whole sentence there as you are clearly attempting to steer the context. 

9 hours ago, Cheddar Bob said:

 

If you want to see what my cheapo tyres will do, come to Donnington in March with your expensive ones and if you are many seconds quicker than me, I will be pleased to let folk know the benefit for a road car on branded tyres. I expect you will be no faster or slower.

 

 

 

See here is my full comment and all it does is highlight my thoughts on tyre choice for road cars. To substantiate that point I am offering the chance for someone who appears to have questioned mine or another persons purchasing decision from what I can see as tyre snobbery only. Like I said, come to Donnington with your expensive tyres and if you are many seconds a lap quicker, I'll be only too pleased to report this information. 

The reality is you won't be, and therefore my point regarding tyres is correct. My lovely cheeps nasty ones do just fine. Oh and they are mix matched. I wish people were not so gullible to marketing,

[Mattman42]

Surely the only way for that to work is to use the same car and driver and swap the wheels between runs - otherwise there are just too many variables?

[Cheddar Bob]

3 minutes ago, Mattman42 said:

Surely the only way for that to work is to use the same car and driver and swap the wheels between runs - otherwise there are just too many variables?

yes if you want to work out measurable benefit for an individual. The point I am making is in real world driving it will not make any difference. 

So therefore, unless it makes someone in a 2.5, 2.7 or 3.2 significantly faster on a circuit, I only see this as marketing. 

I am not saying tyres do not have an impact, and I am not saying I do not realise the performance benefit, I am merely pointing out, it is highly unlikely for someone to be many seconds a lap quicker just because of tyres. We aren't in racing cars. 

[Mattman42]

4 minutes ago, Cheddar Bob said:

yes if you want to work out measurable benefit for an individual. The point I am making is in real world driving it will not make any difference. 

So therefore, unless it makes someone in a 2.5, 2.7 or 3.2 significantly faster on a circuit, I only see this as marketing. 

I am not saying tyres do not have an impact, and I am not saying I do not realise the performance benefit, I am merely pointing out, it is highly unlikely for someone to be many seconds a lap quicker just because of tyres. We aren't in racing cars. 

As the Stig has often proved, the squishy bit behind the wheel makes the most impact, I’m sure he could run rings around any one of us in a lower powered car

[PaulQ]

9 hours ago, Pordave said:

Cheddar Bob

I feel a similar way.  I inherited my Boxster 2 years ago with Accelera Ph1 cheap tyres on which having read the forum, people call ditch finders.

Personally as long as I have 4 matched tyres with decent tread depth I don’t care what they are and in reality drive to my limits and not the tyres. I am also sure that the car like a dog will bite if provoked too far and self preservation rules.

Happy days and happy Covid free Xmas to all

Your not the first person to post on here running Accelera PHI that is perfectly happy with them.

Tyres eh 

 

[½cwt]

38 minutes ago, Cheddar Bob said:

You might want to quote my whole sentence there as you are clearly attempting to steer the context. 

See here is my full comment and all it does is highlight my thoughts on tyre choice for road cars. To substantiate that point I am offering the chance for someone who appears to have questioned mine or another persons purchasing decision from what I can see as tyre snobbery only. Like I said, come to Donnington with your expensive tyres and if you are many seconds a lap quicker, I'll be only too pleased to report this information. 

The reality is you won't be, and therefore my point regarding tyres is correct. My lovely cheeps nasty ones do just fine. Oh and they are mix matched. I wish people were not so gullible to marketing,

Not really the same context, however the same driver in the same car in a completion setting set notably faster times  compared to the general standard of the event entry on stages when I was navigating for him on Michelin or Dunlop rally tyres than he did on cheaper Avon or Colway tyres.  This was reflected on both sealed surfaces and gravel stages.  His choice was directed by the available budget.  This was consistent across a range of vehicles over 10 years (1300 Metro up to Gp A Escort Cosworth via a Gp N Impreza) so supports your in racing argument.

Also at Palmersport when we wanted to reduce the grip and deliberately unbalance the handling of the Mitsubishi EVO 6  we put the tyres from the budget end of the Yokohama range on the back axle but still the premium ones on the front which clearly made a difference in a controlled track environment.

I accept that a good driver with confidence in the vehicle's handling and used to going nearer the limit can get far more out of inferior tyres than an average driver can get out of even the optimum tyre.  This is probably the biggest variable so in that way I am agreeing that for many the difference between premium and mid range tyres is probably not noticeable dynamically, which may then come down to how you want the tyres to ride on the road (harsher or softer) but still give you confidence.

I can't help suspecting that it could be worth you fitting some premium tyres to find another level of Boxster performance when the time for new tyres comes.  Seems you could be one to benefit and if so for £100 or so I would say good value to make good car even more rewarding.

Edited December 20, 2020 by ½cwt

[Mattman42]

5 minutes ago, ½cwt said:

Not really the same context, however the same driver in the same car in a completion setting set notably faster times  compared to the general standard of the event entry on stages when I was navigating for him on Michelin or Dunlop rally tyres than he did on cheaper Avon or Colway tyres.  This was reflected on both sealed surfaces and gravel stages.  His choice was directed by the available budget.  This was consistent across a range of vehicles over 10 years (1300 Metro up to Gp A Escort Cosworth via a Gp N Impreza) so supports your in racing argument.

Also at Palmersport when we wanted to reduce the grip and deliberately unbalance the handling of the Mitsubishi EVO 6  we put the tyres from the budget end of the Yokohama range on the back axle but still the premium ones on the front which clearly made a difference in a controlled track environment.

I accept that a good driver with confidence in the vehicle's handling and used to going nearer the limit can get far more out of inferior tyres than an average driver can get out of even the optimum tyre.  This is probably the biggest variable so I that way I am agreeing that for many the difference between premium and mid range tyres is probably not noticeable dynamically, which may then come down to how you want the tyres to ride on the road but still give you confidence.

I can't help suspecting that it could be worth you fitting some premium tyres to find another level of Boxster performance when the time for new tyres comes.  Seems you could be one to benefit and if so for £100 or so I would say good value to make good car even more rewarding.

Some great real world experience - although not sure how you could have been a navigator in a rally car, that must take a lot of trust! Not sure I’d have the balls for that myself, I’m bad enough when my wife is driving 

 

For me, I’m looking for tyres that provide the best wet performance, I’m not never likely to explore the limits of tyres on the road, so want to make sure they are good in the wet and stop well.

 

[Boxsum]

Surly it’s not totally down to tyre snobbery. Some boxster 986 owners have bought their cars because they like the 986 not because they are cheap. So if you can afford to put decent tyres on then surly it’s their own choice regardless of his or hers driving ability.

[charlieboy2608]

4 minutes ago, Boxsum said:

Surly it’s not totally down to tyre snobbery. Some boxster 986 owners have bought their cars because they like the 986 not because they are cheap. So if you can afford to put decent tyres on then surly it’s their own choice regardless of his or hers driving ability.

+1

[PaulQ]

11 minutes ago, Boxsum said:

Surly it’s not totally down to tyre snobbery. Some boxster 986 owners have bought their cars because they like the 986 not because they are cheap. So if you can afford to put decent tyres on then surly it’s their own choice regardless of his or hers driving ability.

Sure.

If we could all afford it then I expect most people would fit Michelin Pilot Sport 2/4 N rated or whatever, but someone who dismisses a tyre without having even tried it on the basis that it is made in China, cheap, a brand they have never heard of etc, etc, etc is a tyre snob in my book. 

I'm just a tight bastard 

 

[charlieboy2608]

5 minutes ago, PaulQ said:

Sure.

If we could all afford it then I expect most people would fit Michelin Pilot Sport 2/4 N rated or whatever, but someone who dismisses a tyre without having even tried it on the basis that it is made in China, cheap, a brand they have never heard of etc, etc, etc is a tyre snob in my book. 

I'm just a tight bastard 

 

And lets not forget if we all had money we would be driving their latest offering.........;-)

[Araf]

4 hours ago, PaulQ said:

Yeah, but they are not far off the price of the PS4 

   I was looking at fronts last night (235/40-18) and they were around £75 each compared to £175 each for PS4, from Camskill.

Either I'm looking in the wrong place for Michelins or you are, for Uniroyals.

[Boxsum]

8 minutes ago, charlieboy2608 said:

And lets not forget if we all had money we would be driving their latest offering.........;-)

I totally understand that. Thats what I was trying to say earlier in the fact some 986 owners do have other more expensive cars. They also own a 986 because they like them no reflection on price.

[charlieboy2608]

9 minutes ago, Boxsum said:

I totally understand that. Thats what I was trying to say earlier in the fact some 986 owners do have other more expensive cars. They also own a 986 because they like them no reflection on price.

Totally agree.

[½cwt]

1 hour ago, charlieboy2608 said:

And lets not forget if we all had money we would be driving their latest offering.........;-)

Well, may be a 6 cylinder version.... 😉

[PaulQ]

1 hour ago, Araf said:

   I was looking at fronts last night (235/40-18) and they were around £75 each compared to £175 each for PS4, from Camskill.

Either I'm looking in the wrong place for Michelins or you are, for Uniroyals.

I want 235/45/17

[kevs]

This is an interesting thread for me. My Bridgestone Potenza S02s aren’t even half worn but are 9 years old.  I’m therefore thinking that next year I had better get a new set of tyres.  Nobody seems to be giving the Bridgestones any love so I’m guessing I shouldn’t get them this time around!

[Cheddar Bob]

Chaps I'm not talking about racing drivers... We can all say oh yea ben Collins, Perry McCarthy or whoever the lady one is can run rings around xyz in xyz car. Wow originality. 

Anyway, just like engine oil, tyre manufactures rely on the gullible side of humans to swallow marketing codswollop. 

Who cares if the tyres make you hold better corner speed, brake better, accelerate better. In reality it makes very little difference in a road car context. 

It will even make very little difference in a track environment. We aren't competing. We aren't trying to come first. 

Oh wow you're 1.5 seconds quicker around a circuit than me. Yay. Well done. That's nice for you. Do you feel big now. 

 

Like I said, come to Donington in March. I'll prove it doesn't matter what tyres your using on a road car. Remember you go to have fun and not to prove your justification of buying whatever bloody tyre you've been brainwashed to buy.

 

 

[gIzzE]

3 hours ago, PaulQ said:

Sure.

If we could all afford it then I expect most people would fit Michelin Pilot Sport 2/4 N rated or whatever, but someone who dismisses a tyre without having even tried it on the basis that it is made in China, cheap, a brand they have never heard of etc, etc, etc is a tyre snob in my book. 

I'm just a tight bastard 

 

No, you are being a reverse snob.

You seem to be having a dig because I really like PS4 and PS4S tyres. They tend to be winning a hell of a lot of fans too, there is a reason for that. 

You are right, the £280 included the Hunter Alignment too and ircon regass. The tyres were £108 each fitted, Plus I got the alignment and an air con regass as well, and they sorted me a decent price, as I had bought some PS4s with alignment a couple of months previously before selling the Z4 coupe and use them alot, so probably cost me less than £200 fitted. But even at the RRP they cost around £12 more than the cr*p he had put on the back. Now, I am sure the tyres he had could probably be fitted for considerably cheaper, but to me it pretty much summed up the car. Things only done when really needed and with as cheap parts as possible. Like the mismatched springs on there, a single cheap front damper on one side. 

I just don't see the point of owning a car like this and doing that. Not telling anyone else they are wrong for doing that, but it's not for me. 

 

I'm not knocking Chinese tyres at all, I was simply pointing out a budget Chinese tyre will in no way perform as well as a Michelin PS4 on these cars. 

I will stand by that comment too. 

I personally wouldn't fit the PS2 N rated tyre as I don't think it comes close to the PS4, it was great when it came out back in 2004 I think it was, a proper game changer, but things have moved on since then. 

When I went to the PS4s on the Z4 coupe I have never been so impressed with how improved a car has felt from swapping tyres, the difference in just how planted they felt and the way the steering felt after they were fitted blew me away. 
More so than that though was how well they coped with water, the level of grip in the wet was incredible. As I said, totally blew me away, plus it was comfortable, even my wife noticed that. 

 

I had been flitting between Eagle Asymmetricals and Michelin and Goodyear Efficentgrips on my estate (they are just ridiculously quiet), and really whichever was the best price at the time, but I do think the PS4 really suits RWD cars incredibly well. 

 

 

[gIzzE]

2 hours ago, kevs said:

This is an interesting thread for me. My Bridgestone Potenza S02s aren’t even half worn but are 9 years old.  I’m therefore thinking that next year I had better get a new set of tyres.  Nobody seems to be giving the Bridgestones any love so I’m guessing I shouldn’t get them this time around!

Brickstones as many call them. 
They tend to wear well and........that's about it. 

At 9 years old they will be well passed their best. 

I think from next year things like buses and coaches will not be allowed tyres that are over 10 years old to be fitted. 

The rubber hardens and they simply lose grip. 

 

 

[Cheddar Bob]

If I was a marketing guru. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

[gIzzE]

34 minutes ago, Cheddar Bob said:

Like I said, come to Donington in March. I'll prove it doesn't matter what tyres your using on a road car. Remember you go to have fun and not to prove your justification of buying whatever bloody tyre you've been brainwashed to buy.

So just to be clear. 

Tyres don't make a difference? 

Or tyres don't make a difference on the road? 

Or what is it you're saying exactly? 

 

I have no interest in taking a Boxster on track btw. 
I just want a tyres that makes the car feel planted, lets me feel what is happening and is great in the wet. 
Some I have felt don't meet all these requirements, but maybe I have just been brainwashed? 
 

[gIzzE]

5 minutes ago, Cheddar Bob said:

If I was a marketing guru. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

So they don't age now either? 

 

 

Okie dokie. 

 

[gIzzE]

5 hours ago, Cheddar Bob said:

My lovely cheeps nasty ones do just fine. Oh and they are mix matched. I wish people were not so gullible to marketing,

 

Do you buy mismatched cheap tyres for your bike?