andygo Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I was reading a thread on Bore Score on another forum and that Hartech were saying that all the engines will eventually suffer as time goes on. Given that it seems to be about £6K to sort the issue on a 987, at what point do you deem the cost too expensive when the car is probably only worth £15K? Do you bite the bullet and fix it knowing the car is good pretty much for ever, or do you spend a similar amount of money changing the car to,say,a 987.2? There's also the issue of selling a poorly car as well........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I would say that Hartech have a dog in the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Yes I understand they have a vested interest, but assuming your car succumbs, what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Menoporsche said: I would say that Hartech have a dog in the fight. My thought exactly. Maybe there's not enough IMS replacements any more. It is not common, especially on Boxsters. I've heard of 911s that have has 'suspected' bore scoring but there are other reasons for a car to burn oil so they may not even of had the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 In the unlikely event that the engine does fail due to bore score, I'd just get an engine from a scrappy fitted. Engine £2-3k, fitting another 1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 49 minutes ago, Nobbie said: In the unlikely event that the engine does fail due to bore score, I'd just get an engine from a scrappy fitted. Engine £2-3k, fitting another 1k. Frying pan/fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooid Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 You can plan it ahead for bore-scoring. It does happen slowly and once you figure out it happens, you can either start saving for an engine rebuild or sell the car. I believe it would take 1-2 years at least depending on the mileage I guess (say you do 10-15k annually) to reach a point where rebuild necessary. Even if it happens, in most cases its like post 80-90k, and I do not think it's a massive headache for a sports car on that mileage to be considered as a big maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, andygo said: Frying pan/fire? If it was a common problem, then yes you could easily just get bore scoring on the replacement engine, but in reality it isn't a common issue, particularly on Boxsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 In 7 years here I've seen 2 bore scores, both Cayman, no Boxsters. Have seen about 6 IMS implosions in that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 3 hours ago, andygo said: but assuming your car succumbs, what would you do? Consult RobScott and Escy for a conversion quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Hartech are kept pretty busy to be fair with plenty of engine issues so it's not like the problem doesn't exist. A lot of data is anecdotal anyway. How many Gen 1 3.4 Boxster S's are there compared to Gen 1 Cayman S's for example? A quick check on autotrader has around double the number of Cayman S's. The smaller engines don't seem to really suffer it from anything I've read but I'd say it's certainly not something to just be dismissed if looking at the 3.4's and 911's of the era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 If I thought they were bombproof, I wouldn't bother with a warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perleman Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 There is one poster on Penisheads who literally goes on about this every time anyone asks about 9X6/7 engines. He posts on every topic in extensive detail and it is highly tedious and worrying. That being said rebuild is way more than £6k though, more like £10k. Hartech eventually joined the thread and said that they did not think every car would score a bore. It is more common on the bored out engines anyway such as 997 3.6 & 3.8, more so than the ones with thicker cylinder walls such as the 2.7 and 3.2 However 2 very well respected indis told me in person (as I was selling a 997 to them BTW) that failure in the 997s they sell are in the 20%-33% range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 21 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: How many Gen 1 3.4 Boxster S's are there compared to Gen 1 Cayman S's for example? A quick check on autotrader has around double the number of Cayman S's. Someone has a site with annual sales figures. But do remember the 3.4 was released in the Cayman a year or two earlier than in the Boxster (remember the Coxster comments at first release) so if demand for ragtop and coupe were equal (not sure) then yes there would be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 7 hours ago, perleman said: There is one poster on Penisheads who literally goes on about this every time anyone asks about 9X6/7 engines. He posts on every topic in extensive detail and it is highly tedious and worrying. That being said rebuild is way more than £6k though, more like £10k. Hartech eventually joined the thread and said that they did not think every car would score a bore. It is more common on the bored out engines anyway such as 997 3.6 & 3.8, more so than the ones with thicker cylinder walls such as the 2.7 and 3.2 However 2 very well respected indis told me in person (as I was selling a 997 to them BTW) that failure in the 997s they sell are in the 20%-33% range If someone wants to know about the engines what's the harm in informing them? FWIW my car (2.7) had a rebuild at Hartech before I bought it and the bill was £7k. That also includes a clutch slave cylinder and an oil pump I think so it is possible to be significantly less than £10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickemo Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 The member on here who owned the 'bore score' Caymen spent well north of 7K getting it sorted IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh74 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: FWIW my car (2.7) had a rebuild at Hartech before I bought it and the bill was £7k. That also includes a clutch slave cylinder and an oil pump I think so it is possible to be significantly less than £10k. Yikes I thought the 2.7 was relatively problem free. May I ask what the issue was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Hugh74 said: Yikes I thought the 2.7 was relatively problem free. May I ask what the issue was? They are to be fair but the IMS bearing in the 2005 cars is a potential issue, it certainly was for mine. From MY2006 they got a more reliable bearing which is in all 2.7 Caymans. This is the same bearing that Hartech will fit. To be honest, I wouldn't have bought one otherwise. When I got my Boxster I had all but ruled them out at my price point (MY2006 cars out of budget) until this one with a Hartech rebuild appeared close by, I wouldn't have wanted the nagging doubt from a 2005 car after spending the previous 3 years already sinking thousands and thousands into running an M5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh74 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Ah so IMS. Yes when I was looking it had to be a 2006 or newer 2.7 for this reason and to hopefully avoid bore score issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shead Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I wouldn't worry if it ever happens then fix it. My own one flaked it's bores so I developed my own fix and went for a bigger bore engine. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot_holder Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 On 1/28/2017 at 4:11 PM, andygo said: I was reading a thread on Bore Score on another forum and that Hartech were saying that all the engines will eventually suffer as time goes on. Key word there is 'eventually'. No doubt its a weak spot, but it could happen early in life, or when the car has hundreds of thousands of miles, you just cant tell and (from what i've read) is dependant on a load of different factors. There are lots of examples of 987 and 997 around with well over 100k miles without any sign of bore-score or IMS so its not necessarily cut and dry. 'Eventually' any engine will need a rebuild, but if its had a hard life and high milage, that seems fair enough. Its then a question of whether its financially worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 I think it depends how much you have invested in the car when/if it goes. If it were to happen to me today (I think I'm at about 149k), I'd think long and hard about a rebuild like Mark has done - his engine pulls beautifully !! Of scrapping the car as the options on Molly are sought after, and buying a 981. I've only heard the 3.8 lumps are problematic for scoring, but I've not paid much attention to be honest just like I've not done a replacement IMS either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh74 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Could be worse some chap on Penisheads had to get a new engine for his M5 which had only done 28k. Luckily it was covered under warranty as the cost for a new engine was a staggering £33k!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Patt said: I think it depends how much you have invested in the car when/if it goes. If it were to happen to me today (I think I'm at about 149k) Blimey Patt, I know you were angry at that bodyshop, I can see why now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 that 149,000 miles - you've been out in the sun too much ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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