Bravestarr Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Mattman42 said: Unless you want a PDK box - not available on the gen 1 Granted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bravestarr said: PaulQ I think that my point (perhaps not well put..) is that it looks exceptionally unlikely to. A better question might be would I pay a £5K insurance premium against the chance that it might. The answer to which is no. But you could have bought a 987.1 car with the 3.2 litre engine for the same amount of money and eliminated any risk of bore score altogether. 1 hour ago, Bravestarr said: C'mon you have been on here for long enough to put up almost 4k posts. In that time how much of a problem has bore scoring in the 3,4 Boxster been? In the eight or so years I have been active on this forum, I would guess it's in single figures, but that doesn't really tell you anything, other then how many owners have documented the problem on here. At what point (or number) of owners on here would it take for you to think, hold on a minute this could be a bit more then 1 in a 1000 cars affected. Ten, twenty, fifty ? How many 987.1 3.4 owners do you think there are on this forum.? 20, 50, 100 more.? Also, how do you know that these people would even document the issue on this forum.? Lets say for example there are fifty owners on here and four of them have problems with their engines. Would you consider an 8% failure rate as acceptable.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 In my experience on forums, a lot of people join when they have a problem thus skewing the numbers of said problem making them appear prevalent than they actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman42 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Scubaregs said: In my experience on forums, a lot of people join when they have a problem thus skewing the numbers of said problem making them appear prevalent than they actually are. ^^^^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 50 minutes ago, Mattman42 said: ^^^^ this If multiple people are joining a forum reporting the same problem, then that means they all have the same problem. How is that skewing numbers.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, PaulQ said: If multiple people are joining a forum reporting the same problem, then that means they all have the same problem. How is that skewing numbers.? Because for everyone joining who has a problem and bringing it to attention, there are hundreds not joining as they have no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scubaregs said: Because for everyone joining who has a problem and bringing it to attention, there are hundreds not joining as they have no issues. How do you know that the hundreds of people not joining have no issues.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terryg Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, PaulQ said: How do you know that the hundreds of people not joining have no issues.? Are you a lawyer by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypit Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 The guy on PH people are referring to could be regarded as having an axe to grind as his 3.4 ( Cayman ) did indeed suffer from bore score at a lowish mileage, subsequently requiring expensive surgery, albeit covered by warranty, so at no cost to him. Hopefully, I'm remembering this right and not doing him a dis-service. I believe he is quite knowledgeable to be fair, however his manner is occasionally a little off putting to those of delicate sensibilities. If I were in the market for another Boxster and it was a straight fight between the 90k cobalt blue 3.4 S Gen2 for £14900 currently for sale that I keep looking at, or a lower mileage Gen1 3.4 for 5k less it would be the Gen2 every time, given that I would deem it rational to have a 5k + slush fund for the earlier car should the worst happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypit Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Christ, the Gen 2 I mentioned above is now down to £13490.........if I got offered £10500 for mine, I'd be in that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, moneypit said: Christ, the Gen 2 I mentioned above is now down to £13490.........if I got offered £10500 for mine, I'd be in that! Nice color, but not keen on that interior in non extended leather. Looks a bit shiny/tired to me. I think this one's nicer and still under 15k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909272672863?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2008&postcode=ex328dn&model=BOXSTER&sort=price-asc&page=1&aggregatedTrim=987 S&radius=1500&make=PORSCHE&year-to=2011&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypit Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 10 hours ago, PaulQ said: Nice color, but not keen on that interior in non extended leather. Looks a bit shiny/tired to me. I think this one's nicer and still under 15k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909272672863?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2008&postcode=ex328dn&model=BOXSTER&sort=price-asc&page=1&aggregatedTrim=987 S&radius=1500&make=PORSCHE&year-to=2011&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used Yep, not as eye catching, but probably a better car. I don't mind the interior colour in the blue one, but as you say, bit shiny. The ad says it does have extended leather? 13.5k seems very little for that model. The grey one has multifunction steering wheel, arguably less desirable alloys, no crests on the seats. On balance, I'd probably go with the grey one if the prices were closer. I'd be ok with 90k miles on those engines, my Gen1 has 78k on now, so not much difference in miles or money really for a better car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, moneypit said: I'd be ok with 90k miles on those engines, my Gen1 has 78k on now, so not much difference in miles or money really for a better car. Apart from the engine though, what makes the 987.2 a better car.? I think you would do well to get 10k for a 987.1 3.2 on 78k and realistically your probably looking at 8-9k so still a 5k ish spend to get into even the cheapest 987.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypit Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 minute ago, PaulQ said: Apart from the engine though, what makes the 987.2 a better car.? I think you would do well to get 10k for a 987.1 3.2 on 78k and realistically your probably looking at 8-9k so still a 5k ish spend to get into even the cheapest 987.2 Fair enough, but to go back in the thread a bit, where the talk was of buying a Gen 1 3.4 and accepting the associated risk of bore score ( rightly or wrongly ), I personally would sideline at least 5k to address possible issues that I wouldn't expect the Gen2 engine to have. Therefore, in my case, it would make sense to buy a Gen2 3.4 as opposed to a Gen1. I accept not everyone would approach it that way though. I have to say I agree that the prices on the earlier cars seem to be really depressed at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 hours ago, PaulQ said: How do you know that the hundreds of people not joining have no issues.? Because they have not joined to flag up any issues.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxerBeat Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I recently bought a 2005 3.2 987 with 49000 miles. I bought it privately. Car had recently been serviced and when I started the engine it sounded excellent. I bought it. it was in really good nick. when I got home after a 100 mile journey. I heard a tinking noise which only appears when the engine is to temperature. You can’t hear it when sat in the car unless you park next to a wall where the noise reflects back in to the cab. So I investigated what this could be. I have a 4 year old and I wanted to know if it was a problem or not. Oh boy, what a journey! after three garages all specialising in Porsche and at great expense, I managed to determine the fault as a horizontally scored bore on the fifth cylinder in the second bank. It will eventually die and misfire one day, but the car drives great. For now. How unlucky, I thought. 49000 miles, good history, and it has this problem. I was gutted. So I rang the garage who serviced it in May. I asked them if they had heard the noise and what they thought it was. They did know the noise and suggested on the service report to the then owner to investigate further. Clearly the previous owner failed to tell me this both in his summary of the advert nor in person. What do I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Complain to Porsche. Tell them you received the wrong fault. Your car should have an IMS that implodes. Bore scoring is allocated to the 3.4 motor. Yours is clearly a Friday afternoon car where someone picked the wrong fault out of the box without thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 More seriously, I suspect from a private sale of a 15 year old car the answer is caveat emptor, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Sorry to say I think Meno is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Not an ideal situation but with any used car bought privately, I think you have to operate under the "Sold as Seen" assumption. I think you are right to be annoyed but equally, you can't really blame the seller either - they may not have known that it was bore scoring. If it were me, I would do one of two things... Either sell it on and let somebody else deal with the issue or continue to drive it/enjoy it until it eventually (and according to Hartech, this could be many 1000s of miles) starts becoming an issue (ie. drinking a litre of oil every 500 miles). Strange that this has happened to a 3.2 though. I think you have probably just been unlucky there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red rocket Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BoxerBeat said: Clearly the previous owner failed to tell me this both in his summary of the advert nor in person. What do I do? Any help here https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/buying-or-repairing-a-car/problems-with-a-used-car/ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Loon Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 You would have to prove that he knew of the issue when selling it, which is pretty much impossible. Who is to say it did not start the moment you bought it. As Meno says, private sales there really is no come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sa utah Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Every car I have had, and all but one of the 5 that I currently have have some sort of catastrophic time bomb problem if you read any forum about them. Read any car forum of your choice and that vehicle will have something horrendous which could put you off. do some research, get the car looked at prior to purchase or buy one which is fooked for rock bottom prices and rebuild the engine / gearbox or whatever to your own standards. you can be totally paranoid and precious about cars and there’s no enjoyment in that. Porsches are one of the best built cars on the road and all cars at a certain age need money spent on them. IMS. Bore score etc are the equivalent of SMG , Rod bearings and Vanos on BMW. Audi, ford, etc all have amazing inbuilt faults too so you’d never buy anything based on the tiny amount of forum members compared to people who do t join up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 This ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 11 hours ago, BoxerBeat said: I recently bought a 2005 3.2 987 with 49000 miles. I bought it privately. Car had recently been serviced and when I started the engine it sounded excellent. I bought it. it was in really good nick. Welcome to the forum. It's a shame this is your first post and in my opinion is Porsche Paranoia - which many of us have suffered from over time. As for the fault, firstly it wouldn't cost the earth to work out that any bore scoring must be horizontal on a flat engine configuration. Secondly in 49,000 miles the piston would have passed that same point around 300 million times. Pick up happens on all engines. Lots of garages will prey on the paranoid. You could have the engine rebuilt at great expense or you could just forget about it and drive the car. What can happen? If you use a litre of oil every 1000 miles and you're paying £30 a litre for oil, it will still take you over 60,000 miles worth of oil to pay a £2000 garage bill - which is expensive for oil and I bet you're not using anywhere near that much, if any. Forget the problem and enjoy the car. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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