S2sam Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Ok I've owned my 986 s manual 04 plate for a couple of months now it's been back to garage for a couple of minor jobs and a bit of paint , but it has the 2 Nd gear issue of occasionally not engaging properly and results in me having to double clutch to get 2nd , mainly from 1st to 2nd , it's been back in & had the cables lubed up but made no difference and now they're on about changing cables completely for new , my understanding is that it's looking likely to need a gearbox rebuild which I know is gonna cost £2k ISH with vat . So my quandary is they have a 987.1 05 plate 3.2 s manual 89,000 which has had 2nd gear synchro replaced for £3.5k which is up for £10k which I could have for £9k so I'm about to see if they will do a straight swap for mine which I gave £8k for potentially saving them a £2k bill what's your thoughts on this , ps it's a decent spec 987.1 with Bose and 6 cd , with heated seats and refurbed 19" alloys, fsh Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Sounds like a good deal if they go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy555 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Has the gearbox oil been changed? Is it difficult to change when cold or hot and cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Normally only need the box rebuilding if it's jumping out of gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted February 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 .more difficult when cold ,it's like it's in gear then you go to lift clutch and a bit of a crunch then it's not in 2nd then have to dip clutch and select 2nd again .mainly only does it when cold ,and only 2nd gear although gearbox in general is pretty stiff hot or cold I'm keen to sort problem as it's still in their 3 month warranty and don't want it to worsen over time and then be my bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy555 Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 I'd have the gearbox oil changed first before rebuilding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 I find I have to be quite 'positive' with my 'box when cold. It is quite notchy or baukly but it then smooths out once everything is up to temp. It might also be worth thining about wear int eh linkage or the gearbox mounts rather than going straight for a 'box rebuild, both options are much cheaper (for you or them). I'm planning an oil change next month as there's nothing in the history which can only help, plus can check for any metal in the old oil just in case of a more serious problem. The 6 speed unit in the 3.2S is a bit of a different animal to the 5 speed unit in the 2.5 & 2.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clivescoobydo Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 All the 6 speeds seem knotchy when very cold. You just need to be extra careful until warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_johnson Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 ^This, totally different ball game once the oil temperature is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher2110 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 +1 on being 'positive' from 1st to 2nd when cold as can be very stiff. From what I've read previously try changing oil before anything else, maybe they'll offer to do that anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 My car is also in for some work, I thought I had an engine oil leak but it turns out it's gearbox. Looks like more than one of us is facing a 2004 986 S gearbox rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Hi David , mines under warranty ,they're doing new cables this Saturday so we'll find out if that's cured it , hopefully yours turns out to be relatively cheap fix , what's symptoms ? And mileage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted February 26, 2019 Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 74000 miles, the symptom is quite a simple one. Oil leaking from the gearbox. Also, on random days the gearshift is mushy, then other days it's perfect. It's a selector rod apparently, so will need the box removed and rebuilt. This is a car with FPSH, bought from a forum member in 2017. It just goes to show that no matter how good the maintenance history of a car, expensive stuff will still break. I also had a water pump fail on me last summer. Luckily I caught that when the bearing starting to get noisy and before it actually broke. It's also having front strut top mounts and lower control arms changed. All work being done at ePorsch in Bisley, so she's in good hands but it's gonna be expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted February 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2019 Sorry to hear that David , even cars with good history can fail , which makes you wonder wether we should buy cheaper in the 1st place and save the rest for when something goes wrong , although the concensous is to buy the best you can afford , it's a little worrying tbh makes you wonder what's waiting round the corner . I've never had a clutch go in any car I've owned then had 3 go in different cars in one year so you never can tell .hope you get some usage now decent weather is with us Regards Sam 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Thanks. Well I got a tax rebate this month that I wasn't expecting which should cover the bill, so in one way I never had the money and still don't, but will have a sorted car instead. My 2 get old son keeps asking where the car is, saying Daddy car broken. I've now taught him to say porsche gearbox broken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the baron Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 15 hours ago, DavidC said: 74000 miles, the symptom is quite a simple one. Oil leaking from the gearbox. Also, on random days the gearshift is mushy, then other days it's perfect. It's a selector rod apparently, so will need the box removed and rebuilt. This is a car with FPSH, bought from a forum member in 2017. It just goes to show that no matter how good the maintenance history of a car, expensive stuff will still break. I also had a water pump fail on me last summer. Luckily I caught that when the bearing starting to get noisy and before it actually broke. It's also having front strut top mounts and lower control arms changed. All work being done at ePorsch in Bisley, so she's in good hands but it's gonna be expensive. Sorry to hear of your woes, its impossible to buy a car without any faults, you just dont know what lies ahead which is why its always good to budget a certain amount each year but in real life that’s not alway possible. Hope all goes well with the repairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted March 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 Up date on update . So car currently is in workshop again with 2nd gear problems . The garage lubed up original gearbox cables , no change , then swapped out for brand new cables which made the gear change Very smooth across the rest of the gears but not 2nd , so new oe gearbox oil and no change , so it's in for a replacement box , but not a new one but with a guarantee !, the spare box is around £1k the new cables were around £400 plus whatever it costs for them for their labour , and the gear oil , what can they look at whilst gearbox is off for preventative maintenance Cheers sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uggski Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 Might be worth doing the clutch and if you really want to push the boat out do the IMS bearing as well. I'm in the camp of leaving the IMS alone but if everything is out and you can afford it, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason986S Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 My old 986S has a rebuilt gearbox and still crunched into 2nd for the first couple of cold shifts. It was on approx 110k and had massive history and maintenance records over and above usual. So it’s a wear characteristic, that’s common, but often when warm with good fluid is absolutely fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 So I've been in touch with the garage and when the replacement gearbox arrives ,they're going to check the IMS for play ,and the condition of the clutch , if the clutch is worn then I'll pay for it and they'll fit foc but if the IMS is worn I'm not sure who it's down to as it's still under their warranty .I've searched a bit and it looks like the IMS bearing kit comes in around £ £600-£800 , without the cost of fitting , I'm not sure I want to get that deep into a car I've owned for 3 months , probably only done 400 miles To be fair the garage have been spot on up to present , pre sale they did front and rear bumper and bonnet respray ( stone chips ) , rear discs & pads , new bonnet struts, frunk latch , wind deflector catch, bit of trim round windscreen,service , clutch pedal spring And now they're around £1k into replacement gearbox £400 new cables ,£150 gearbox oil plus Their labour .I've asked for some photos when they get the old box off , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, S2sam said: So I've been in touch with the garage and when the replacement gearbox arrives ,they're going to check the IMS for play ,and the condition of the clutch , if the clutch is worn then I'll pay for it and they'll fit foc but if the IMS is worn I'm not sure who it's down to as it's still under their warranty .I've searched a bit and it looks like the IMS bearing kit comes in around £ £600-£800 , without the cost of fitting , I'm not sure I want to get that deep into a car I've owned for 3 months , probably only done 400 miles To be fair the garage have been spot on up to present , pre sale they did front and rear bumper and bonnet respray ( stone chips ) , rear discs & pads , new bonnet struts, frunk latch , wind deflector catch, bit of trim round windscreen,service , clutch pedal spring And now they're around £1k into replacement gearbox £400 new cables ,£150 gearbox oil plus Their labour .I've asked for some photos when they get the old box off , The chances are the IMS will be fine, so it's likely to be down to you whether you take this opportunity to replace it. If it is fine, then I'd just keep changing the oil regularly rather than mess with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 I've just spoken to ePorsch and they have just received my gearbox back from their G/box specialists. If I'm lucky I'll get the car back for the weekend, or more realistically at the start of next week. Luckily when the box was stripped they found nothing else needed doing other than the repair it went in for originally (a leak from the gear selector rod) and has had an improved bushing of some sort fitted to prevent the car from ever developing the 2nd gear issue. Still no news on the final price, I guess I'll find out soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat haggis Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 great news mate . you will be smiling again soon 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2sam Posted March 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Got mine back today after replacement gearbox fitted (warrantied) seems fine , washed and valeted ready to go , fingers crossed only time will tell , they took photos of clutch and IMS and said all was fine ,tbh it's been a lot of tooing and frowing ,many garages would have tried to dodge round this or bodge up So some kudos for Woodleigh porsche / fiat garage at chesterfield for their efforts so far, it must have cost them getting up £3k to resolve this and a few other bits & bobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escy Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Yeah, that's a result, lots of places would just say "they all do it" and fob you off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.