Jonttt Posted July 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, CliveH said: Would the smoked version not achieve the same result? Potentially yes.......but then you can only make them Darker with film......if you start with a clear lens you have more flexibility.......I would also look to fit film on a none OEM light (even if clear film) as they a) don't have the same length of guarantee and b) are usually more prone to UV damage than OEM quality....so my logic was clear lens I can play around with tint to suit me / my car 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, CliveH said: The Spyder headlights look great on a white, grey, or silver car but would they really make a noticeable difference on a black car? Not to 99% of people ........... but its the small details lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jonttt said: Potentially yes.......but then you can only make them Darker with film......if you start with a clear lens you have more flexibility.......I would also look to fit film on a none OEM light (even if clear film) as they a) don't have the same length of guarantee and b) are usually more prone to UV damage than OEM quality....so my logic was clear lens I can play around with tint to suit me / my car 😉 I'm with you. I'll be interested to see your results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 Stick your in the oven, split them and paint over the chrome-look paint = simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Patt said: Stick your in the oven, split them and paint over the chrome-look paint = simples Ah, yes the old bake it in the oven "trick"......the problem with that is it does not facilitate "man logic" to spend money 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 So, has anybody on here actually tried the oven method on their rear lights? The OEM units look as if they are plastic welded rather than glued together. I have seen at least 1 rear light unit where the join between the body of the light and the lens is not completely sealed at the bottom edge - maybe that is what contributes to the degredation of the reverse light silvering? Worth a check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 So....disappoitingly after fitting the Brembo disks........the design of the Spyder Alloys allows part of the hub face to be seen.....this is not painted and so rusts .... ...obviously unacceptable 😁 ........now I could just paint the hub face but thought I would take the opportunity to pull the wheels out to the arch by fitting wheel spacers....... ....the Spyder wheels sit pretty well in the arch and so do not need too much extra "poke" ie I don't want them level with the arch so I decided that 5mm all around would be enough for me .....as this is really a cosmetic mod to make the hub look better 😁 ...... 5mm is borderline new bolts or not....... So the search was on for some black wheel spacers, again hib centric is borderline with 5mm as to whether thats required or not........plenty of aftermarket options but......a set of genuine used OEM 5mm hub spacer kit including OEM longer bolts, locking nuts and even longer hub screws came up on eBay literally as I was looking.....in Silver but given even black would need a refurb that was no problem.......the price ....about 25% of OEM cost and cheaper than I could get aftermarket factoring in longer bolts......so I snapped them up.... They arrived quickly and where in good used condition, only requiring a light rub down with wire wool.... Before.... After.... and ready for spraying with the 5mm longer nuts.... you will note that the 5mm longer OEM nuts have a red collar to identify them (including the longer locking nuts)..... .....the spacers are also shaped to "lock" into the hub in effect making them better than Hub centric as it also lines the bolt and screw holes up...... ...and fitted prior to fitting the x2 hub screws into the recessed holes nb the car has not been driven for over 2 weeks :nooo: so the disc faces are a little rusty ....but that was rectified by a blast today :thumb: I've not taken any pictures of the changed stance .....partly as the car is not clean and its 5mm = not a lot of difference 😁 ....I'll get some pics when the car is clean at the weekend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Nice work Jon. Any pics of them on the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 So I managed to get some pics of the car today with the Spacers on.... From this shoddy appearance... to this.... and from around the car.... and some pics just for the fun of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverinemac Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 That’s a great looking motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) On 7/21/2019 at 12:32 PM, Jonttt said: Next comes one of the ......... - easiest - most noticeable - not cheap Mods you can do to any Porsche with factory OEM PASM fitted........ the DSC PASM replacement controller..... This is a very well known mod which just makes the PASM (variable dampers) much more useable. The 987.2 uses the same module as the 997.2 and does not require the additional accelerometer required for the earlier 987.1 and 997.1 (none turbo) ie .2 cars have these fitted as standard). https://www.dscsport.com/product/dsc-vplug-n-play/ "The DSC Sport Controller expands the dynamic range and rate of response of your factory damper controller, providing both improved track performance and a more comfortable ride on the street. It simply replaces the factory PASM controller with the DSC Sport Plug N Play controller. Like all DSC Sport controllers, the DSC Sport V1 Plug N Play Controller allows users to tune by g-force, brake pressure, acceleration, speed, steering, and control the effective damping range via shock calibration. DSC features 2 modes, “Normal” and “Sport” which will display on the dash during mode selection. Mode display on the dash in the same way that the factory controller does." These cost c£1,050 from the UK approved suppliers but do come up occassionally second hand. As there are no moving parts they is no "wear" element of the module, they therefore command strong money but I managed to get one for £700 delivered from a 997.2 Fitting really is a doddle, you just put your hand up to side of the passenger footwell and feel for the OEM unit. At the bottom there is a retaining tab which you just ease and the unit pulls down and out easily... you then just push in the lugs holding the wiring connector and pull free... Side by side... Fitting is simply the reversal although it is a little more fiddly to slide the unit back into the top retaining bracket and push back in place the lower tab...... So thats it job done........ the first thing you notice is that the DSC unit is more flexible in its settings ie the OEM unit switches on both PASM and Sport together, you can then switch off PASM if you just want sport engine mapping. As OEM Sport PASM is not driveable on english roads this was always a pain as you had to switch on Sport then swithc off PASM. Also when you turn off the ignitition all revert to OFF. With the DSC controller Sport and PASM are completely seperate settings, so you can just turn on Sport without PASM if you like. The unit also remembers the last PASM setting when ignition is turned off. The central dial notificaiton is fully supported as per the OEM unit.. Other than test for errors I've not had chance to try this mod out yet but will report back when I've had some experience of it in real world driving...... Following some discussions on another thread re Porsche Options and what PASM actually is and how it can be improved even further making it a must have option for any road going porsche IMHO....there is an excellent summary posted on Facebook from a real world user which I could not word any better..... Install and test complete of the DSC controller for the 997. First some tech info as I believe this will help in understanding how PASM works and why the DSC is superior. All 997s that use PASM communicate on one channel between the controller and the dampers. The controller takes the information from various sensors, processes it and adjust the signal to the dampers. Unfortunately this is the downside for the OEM controller. The single channel controller sends one signal to all the dampers. In other words, all four shocks are changed in the same way at the same time. Additionally, the OEM controller does not use 100% of the dampers range. The DCS controller is a 4 channel control, uses the full range of the dampers and sends individual commands to each corner. What does that mean? Overall better dynamic control of the car responding to road conditions. 997.1 non turbos only have a 2 axis accelerometer, All other 997s use a 3 axis. The additional axis provides gravity force data to the controller which provides more data for better control albeit still limited by the single channel oem Damptronic controller. When ordering a DSC controller for a 997.1 PASM non-turbo a 3 axis accelerometer is required.Now as for my set up. My car has almost 90k miles, all original suspension components, bushings in really good shape. MPS4s tires (305 rears) tire pressure F31/R38, alignment is set to the Porsche Performance spec which is almost identical the DSC recommended specs (see image in comments).My road conditions are pretty good here so I mostly drive in sport because I really disliked the wallowing feeling in normal. Another complaint I have of PASM is sometimes in normal mode over rough surface it felt as if it was too hard. To sum up, the suspension felt either to soft or hard but at the wrong time.DSC in normal mode is much softer ride BUT! With some serious body control. The wallowing feeling is gone and the ride is incredibly compliant. Turn in is improved. It feels completely different vs PASM, it’s rather mind boggling. I would venture to say this is due to the 4 channel communication to the dampers and each one dynamically adjusting independently of one another. Also the car firms up really fast and much harder than it did before. This, I believe, is attributed to the 3 axis(processing G-force) accelerometer and the full use of the entire damping range of the struts/shocks.DSC in sport mode is firmer than normal but not PASM sport. Turn in is incredible and quick. The ride is more compliant. When entering a hard turn, oh my is it impressive. The car loads up better and is much more planted. So as to where PASM sport was way too hard all the time DSC PASM is not. It is firm and when it needs to be it is 100% STIFF.Braking in both modes is really where I giggled out loud. The car nose dive is almost unperceivable and therefore the stopping force is light years better than with PASM. I am now using less force to full stop the car.The best part of the DSC controller? You can customize the programming via software or email with DSC. So you can tweak galore if that’s your thing. Adjusting parameters to your liking. I can go on and on but there is a lot of info already out there (see link in comments). Final thoughts? HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! Bring you Porsche PASM to the present and really the way it should have come from the factory. So my view is that if you can source a Porsche with PASM why wouldn't you......with a DSC it is one of the best dynamic road suspensions on any sports car.......it is simply an option that is a must have to me 😉 Edited July 11, 2020 by Jonttt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, wolverinemac said: That’s a great looking motor Thank you....to be fair any Porsche Boxster is a great starting point 😉 IMHO the Spyder wheels will always make a black edition look special.....they are simply one of the best wheels Porsche has ever made.......and given how often I have been taking them on and off recently you appreciate how relatively lightweight they actually are for their size ie the weight is mainly in the tyre and not the wheel ! Edited July 11, 2020 by Jonttt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverinemac Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 looking at 987.2s at the moment, the black editions are rare as hell. I only found out yesterday that one 987 were built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 Yep, two where up for sale recently but seem to have sold now.......I have a Black Edition thread going which lists them by number with spec as they come up for sale in the UK. 987 was the worldwide number made, not sure how many RHD in the UK but given there where relatively few 987-2 S the Black Editions are pretty rare 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolverinemac Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jonttt said: Yep, two where up for sale recently but seem to have sold now.......I have a Black Edition thread going which lists them by number with spec as they come up for sale in the UK. 987 was the worldwide number made, not sure how many RHD in the UK but given there where relatively few 987-2 S the Black Editions are pretty rare 😉 apparently less than 70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowbos Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, wolverinemac said: apparently less than 70 Looks like 81 total either taxed or SORN currently according to howmanyleft.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolfgjp Posted July 11, 2020 Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 Definitely taking shape, I was surprised how much difference the 5mm spacers made. It must be to do with the shape of the Spyder wheels but definitely a worthwhile mod. I think the spoiler is looking good as well although I’m not a 100% sold on the clear lights. I personally think the Black Edition needs the bright red lights to break it up but they do look more modern and look as if they fit well. I’ve had fitting issues in the past with aftermarket lights. Maybe they will grow on me but they definitely suit the blacked out sort of look your going for👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 I accept that the lights will be marmite to people as they are radically different to the originals.......;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 Looking good Jon. Presumably this DSC controller is only any good if you already have PASM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted July 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 Yes the DSC replaces the PASM controller unit but you need the PASM shocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted August 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 I managed to pick up some rare genuine carbon interior door handles for a 9x7 from German Ebay (aftermarket ones are available but they are very expensive).......they where advertised with the whole mechanism (which is not required as they are a simple undo a screw to fit the actual handle without any need to remove the door card).... so 2 min job to fit from this.... to this.... in keeping with the "Black Edition" theme... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 Great find, great job 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted September 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 Well I finally managed to get a run out in the car today, feels like the first one of the year I’ve driven it so little.....met up with a 991 GT3 Touring and 718 Spyder amongst other Porsches (and a performante interloper) .........couldn’t stop smiling......the biggest thing that hit me about my car though was the steering......you really do get divorced from it in more modern cars......the constant feedback through the steering wheel was startling and really brought home to me what has been lost in most sports cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolfgjp Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 Sometimes it is nice when you have a break from these cars, it always surprises me how good they are to drive. It is amazing how numb the steering has gone in modern cars compared with the more old school setup, I love it can’t stand steering with no feedback 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster66 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 10:39 AM, Jonttt said: I managed to pick up some rare genuine carbon interior door handles for a 9x7 from German Ebay (aftermarket ones are available but they are very expensive).......they where advertised with the whole mechanism (which is not required as they are a simple undo a screw to fit the actual handle without any need to remove the door card).... so 2 min job to fit from this.... to this.... in keeping with the "Black Edition" theme... That’s a great look What you doing with the originals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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