Menoporsche Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Hadn't heard of this before. According to this page, the 718 was sold with a lower power engine, 50bhp less, "for Chinese market". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Porsche_engines#Porsche_Boxster_(986/987/981/982)_engines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Wonder if that was to satisfy some government criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted September 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just checked - of a few "western media" articles, this looks as convincing as any. https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/porsche-plans-less-powerful-718-boxster-cayman-for-china/ "Porsche is making this move to cut the cars’ prices. The 250-hp models will sell for less than 600,000 renminbi (about $90,000). This is a “magical threshold for customers in China, Jan Roth, head of the 718 model line, told Automotive News Europe. " Says several VW Group cars do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 $90,000 for a detuned car, ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 I wonder how much money they actually save by detuning it though? Given it's a turbo I'd have thought it would just be a remap. Looks like there's still a pretty healthy margin on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Looks like plenty of margin in their cars The company’s operating profit grew by around 4% compared with the same period in the previous year, reaching €4.3 billion, and sales revenue increased by 10% to €25.8 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted September 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Nath said: I wonder how much money they actually save by detuning it though? Given it's a turbo I'd have thought it would just be a remap. Looks like there's still a pretty healthy margin on it! +1. Might be a way of price cutting to boost sales , but ensuring others don’t buy cheap Boxsters from China then flip them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 The rumor has always been that Porsche developed the 2 liter 4 pot turbo for the Chinese market as they have much stricter criteria and Porsche wanted to target that massive market (much like the other luxury brands had). You have to remember that the strategy will have been signed off during the 981 life cycle ie when China was THE market to crack. The counter was that they had to do it anyway to meet emissions in the EU but of course that has now been disproved with the recent introduction of the 6 cylinder back into the boxster production line ie gives more credence that Porsche had targeted the boxster at China which required a 2 litre engine as a major influencer in the 4 pot FI solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Jonttt said: The counter was that they had to do it anyway to meet emissions in the EU but of course that has now been disproved with the recent introduction of the 6 cylinder back into the boxster production line ie gives more credence that Porsche had targeted the boxster at China which required a 2 litre engine as a major influencer in the 4 pot FI solution. Porsche come under the VAG group and at present are set for a 1.4 billion euro fine for not meeting the co average of 95 set for 2021. This is an average across the group. Yes they have introduced the 6 cyclinder again but expect to sell approx 500-1000 compared to the 4t 4,000 sold across europe its a very small percentage . The downside is the 15kg cat fitted to the car to get the emmsions down to 180 .Reducing emmsions helps build bespoke limited models, look what Aston Martin did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Ah the environmentally friendly Cygnet? According to this board many of the owners could lose 15kg anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpg123 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, Menoporsche said: Ah the environmentally friendly Cygnet? According to this board many of the owners could lose 15kg anyway. Eddie Irvine has an Aston Cygnet and says it's awesome. For a city car he says it does everything he could ever want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, dpg123 said: Eddie Irvine has an Aston Cygnet and says it's awesome. For a city car he says it does everything he could ever want it to. Seen the price they command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm E Box Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 hours ago, dpg123 said: Eddie Irvine has an Aston Cygnet and says it's awesome. For a city car he says it does everything he could ever want it to. So does Stirling Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Malcolm E Box said: So does Stirling Moss less than 150 sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm E Box Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 So which idiots had the other 148 over priced Toyotas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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