Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 The car is now 6+ years old and its had the original wheel bolts and locking wheel bolts fitted since new. The bolts themselves are ok (bar the normal slight rust) but I've just gone outside to torque the bolts and found that my Porsche Locking Bolt key is not fitting correctly and has damaged one of the bolts. They are a shyate design and this is the 2dd key I've had for the car So I think at present I have the potential to still remove the 4 locking bolts using the key I have (it's likely after 4 uses either one of the bolts or the key will be damaged beyond me beign able to do so!) Question is what do you guys recommend I replace the bolts (either the 4 or whole set of 20) with Dumb it down for me if possible as my technical knowledge is limited so I know they are 19mm heads but not sure of length or other characteristics, thread etc Finally I know there is a strong school of thought for not having locking bolts BUT I'd still like to have some if possible... TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 I put my locking wheel nuts and key into a tub with Wurth 'Rost Off', an oil which is a rust remover, similar to WD40 and soaked them over night, it cleans the rust off and they are a good fit again 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickLS7 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 The Porsche locking tools are awful, the tool broke on my old 986 and was a pig removing the 4 locking studs. The tool on the 981 was equally feeble and the locking grid was already damaged, just about the first job I did was to remove them and put normal studs in. Nobody steals wheels anymore, a thief will take the whole car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, John T said: I put my locking wheel nuts and key into a tub with Wurth 'Rost Off', an oil which is a rust remover, similar to WD40 and soaked them over night, it cleans the rust off and they are a good fit again 😉 not worried about the small amount of dirt and rust, more replacing the bolts...its the locking key/bolt slipping as the face of the key/bolt is getting damaged with use its just too soft and can only stand up to limited uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja02 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Bought 1 for mine last week, Also the wheel mounting rod. £24 for both, so in my view, its not an expensive thing to replace. Unlike other stuff I have been priced for 😁 Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Not sure which ones you have, but I've got the multi spline Porsche type on my car and they are fine. McGard should be decent quality. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/McGard-SU-Standard-Locking-Wheel-Bolts-M14x1-5-31-8mm-28177SU/352262706136?fits=Car+Make%3APorsche|Plat_Gen%3A981&epid=649282512&hash=item52047e53d8:g:Ws0AAOSwuMNbUQxT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mneil Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Binned mine after going through two locking bolt keys and never looked back! Cadbury, by appointment to HM the Queen and Porsche 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenman Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 The Porsche wheels needing 160Nm of torque means the locking socket is under considerable strain. I always loosen mine slightly before getting tyres or similar fixed (to avoid the worst of the manic air wrench treatment), mine have been ok so far but I would likely replace with plane bolts if required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm E Box Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RickLS7 said: The Porsche locking tools are awful, the tool broke on my old 986 and was a pig removing the 4 locking studs. The tool on the 981 was equally feeble and the locking grid was already damaged, just about the first job I did was to remove them and put normal studs in. Nobody steals wheels anymore, a thief will take the whole car. This Not had locking wheel nuts for years and still have all my wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John2000 Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, Greenman said: The Porsche wheels needing 160Nm of torque I have just read my 986 drivers manual and it said 130Nm not 160Nm maybe your is a 987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, John2000 said: I have just read my 986 drivers manual and it said 130Nm not 160Nm maybe your is a 987 I thought it was 128nm but I could easily be incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Porsche increased the torque to 160nm when they introduced the newer black bolts. I wouldn't do up any lockers this high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenman Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 It’s certainly 160Nm on the 981. But I tend to set my locking ones at about 130Nm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John T Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Stuart21UK said: not worried about the small amount of dirt and rust, more replacing the bolts...its the locking key/bolt slipping as the face of the key/bolt is getting damaged with use its just too soft and can only stand up to limited uses Aye, but it's probably the bit of dirt and rust that is stopping your key fitting the bolts and fully engaging which could be the reason you are damaging yours 😉 Mines a 2011 and its got the original key and bolts and they are fine 👍 I don't torque my wheel nuts and never lost one or a wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 so I'll need a full set if I buy the McGard locking ones as they are silver and the current bolts are black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, John T said: Aye, but it's probably the bit of dirt and rust that is stopping your key fitting the bolts and fully engaging which could be the reason you are damaging yours 😉 Mines a 2011 and its got the original key and bolts and they are fine 👍 I don't torque my wheel nuts and never lost one or a wheel you can see the damage on the key/bolt so even if that were the original cause (which I doubt, they are just a poor design IMO) then they still need binning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Stuart21UK said: so I'll need a full set if I buy the McGard locking ones as they are silver and the current bolts are black I'm pretty sure someone on here bought a set of black McGard locking bolts, but they were difficult to source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T24RES Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, PaulQ said: I'm pretty sure someone on here bought a set of black McGard locking bolts, but they were difficult to source. @tony_zx9r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, T24RES said: @tony_zx9r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guvs Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Sorry Steuart can't help you with your problem however the only thing I would add is, don't get more locking bolts get 4 x new normal OEM bolts and put them on, I do that with every car I have owned as mentioned above people don't nick alloy wheels anymore not like they use to in the old days anyway, Guvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_zx9r Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 Thanks @T24RES, yes it was me that bought the black McGard locking wheel nuts and they are better than the Porsche items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_zx9r Posted June 7, 2020 Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 You want these Stuart: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, tony_zx9r said: You want these Stuart: thanks Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart21UK Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2020 ordered some from https://www.performancealloys.com/mcgard-black-edition-locking-bolts-28177sub for £45 otherwise it was 67 Euros from Germany https://shop.mcgard.de/automotive/radsicherungsbolzen-sub-7.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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