moonshine Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 ^using the cloning dock I have i have i never even bothered formatting the new SSD or looking at it in disk manager - it wasn’t even connected to a computer - i simply put it in and pressed clone - it must of cloned the formatting over to the unformatted SSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozzykim Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 2 hours ago, moonshine said: ^using the cloning dock I have i have i never even bothered formatting the new SSD or looking at it in disk manager - it wasn’t even connected to a computer - i simply put it in and pressed clone - it must of cloned the formatting over to the unformatted SSD I now have two SSD clones of the original disk, and one of them in the car with the jukebox being loaded with tunes, (blimey, it takes ages). I didn't realise that the clone would retain all my maps and settings, but not copy my jukebox. The original disk is 120GB, which I wasn't expecting, and thank heavens that I bought 2x 128GB SSDs, as the offline cloner will only (obviously) clone to a bigger disk than the original. I'd assumed that my original disk was 40GB as I'd read somewhere. Thanks for the offer of help by the way, much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted May 5, 2023 Report Share Posted May 5, 2023 (edited) My clone using the dock cloned my music The oem hdd is 100mb Edited May 5, 2023 by moonshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ATM Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 On 5/25/2021 at 2:40 PM, spook said: It therefore appears that only the later PCM 3.1 units with the 100GB HDD can be replaced with SSD, so those contemplating what is a very sensible preventative maintenance upgrade first need to check whether their PCM 3.1 has Jukebox. If it hasn't, it simply can't be done. I don't think mine has Jukebox. Because I've never found it. But there is a chance I've just missed it. How do you find / use / access the Jukebox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmand Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, ATM said: I don't think mine has Jukebox. Because I've never found it. But there is a chance I've just missed it. How do you find / use / access the Jukebox? It appears as a “source”, similar to FM or DAB when you press that button. AFAIK it became standard on later cars perhaps 2015 onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 (edited) I've jukebox on my 2013 981 BS, but I don't have DAB. I Can't recall, but it might only show but once you copy music took it? Edited March 20 by moonshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 See post 185 https://rennlist.com/forums/991/873945-pcm-software-version-update-13.html Not all PCM 3.1 units are Jukebox enabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Daniel Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 No my PCM 3.1 doesn't have Jukebox or Nav, and after buying all the kit to clone the hard drive I found it doesn't have a hard drive either 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakeb Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 I would guess it doesnt have sim slot in the front either? is it definitely a PCM 3.1 or a CDR31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Daniel Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 It is a PCM 3.1 unit on V4.73 software but no nav, phone, or jukebox. It does have sim slot but I presume it does nothing. I was pulling it apart anyway to install an Isudar AA/Carplay board in it, but was surprised about it not having the hard drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon61 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, Tony Daniel said: It is a PCM 3.1 unit on V4.73 software but no nav, phone, or jukebox. It does have sim slot but I presume it does nothing. Amazingly, considering what the C stands for , telephone capability wasn't automatically part of PCM on 981's - you had to spec one of two different options (either 'Preparation for mobile phone' 619, or 'Telephone module' 666) to get it. It's possible that the SIM slot was always present though even without one of these options, for simplicity of parts/manufacture. (BTW Digital radio 691 was also an option and not standard @moonshine, unless you had CDR Plus which included it) But the rest sounds a bit weird to me, if it is really a PCM rather than CDR or CDR Plus. Right from the 2011 brochure, PCM is always described as having a navigation module built-in. The jukebox facility wasn't always there though (and without nav or jukebox, there would be no need for a hard disk) - that depends on the hardware version; even within PCM3.1s, there are different versions as described in Richard Hamilton's 2020 post in another thread: Richard states that from MY2013, PCM became hardware version 4 (note this is different to software version numbers), and included the Jukebox. But he also says that it's only this hardware version 4 that can be updated to software version V4.xx. So that would seem to suggest that if your software is V4.73, then your hardware should be Version 4 and should include the hard disk and jukebox. That would fit anyway with yours being a GTS - so I think it must be MY2014 or later? I have a vague feeling that I've read on here before that someone had a car that sounded different to what all the literature suggests should be the case though - but I can't remember if that was you Tony or someone else! Even if your PCM had ever been replaced for any reason I would expect it to conform to one of the standard types. Out of interest, do you have a USB socket that you can play music from? (I think you should, on a post-MY2013 PCM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakeb Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Was there a hard drive connector in there - it might have been the drive failed and if you disconnect the drive it stops the rebooting loop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 52 minutes ago, Jakeb said: Was there a hard drive connector in there - it might have been the drive failed and if you disconnect the drive it stops the rebooting loop If there is I can send you a clone of my HDD and you can see if it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Daniel Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 (edited) @Jon61 Yes the car is Dec '14 GTS and it does have the Aux/USB in the glovebox & DAB When I removed the panel for the hard drive I seem to remember (2021 I did this) there is no facility to add one if I got a cloned unit. Edited March 20 by Tony Daniel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon61 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 6 hours ago, Tony Daniel said: @Jon61 Yes the car is Dec '14 GTS and it does have the Aux/USB in the glovebox & DAB This got me really intrigued - and then I found your old 2021 thread ('981 PCM 3.1 Nav and Phone not available') which I missed at the time. Having done a bit of digging, I've come up with an idea that might explain how you (and others) have got a setup that doesn't seem to be described in the brochures. For the benefit of anyone else in future searching for a similar 'PCM but no Navi' query, I've put my thoughts in the other thread rather than here, but here's a link to it: (https://www.BoXa.net/topic/93363-981-pcm-31-nav-and-phone-not-available/?do=findComment&comment=1408341 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 A bit more relevant to this thread, What would happen you put a copy of SSD made from one pcm into a different pcm to replace a corrupted / failed PCM HDD? Would it work? Or would the fact the SSD was made from a HDD tied to another VIN mean it would not work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Daniel Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, moonshine said: A bit more relevant to this thread, What would happen you put a copy of SSD made from one pcm into a different pcm to replace a corrupted / failed PCM HDD? Would it work? Or would the fact the SSD was made from a HDD tied to another VIN mean it would not work? I've not read the whole Rennlist thread but it seems swapping hard drives can cause problems. Post #8 is interesting though, he ran the update disc and his cloned drive worked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justchris Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 On 4/8/2024 at 2:52 PM, moonshine said: A bit more relevant to this thread, What would happen you put a copy of SSD made from one pcm into a different pcm to replace a corrupted / failed PCM HDD? Would it work? Or would the fact the SSD was made from a HDD tied to another VIN mean it would not work? I installed a clone of my 2013 Boxster base PCM 3.1 drive into a 2014 Cayman S to fix a failed drive with no issues. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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