Dubdubz Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 I looked for 20 mins using various search terms and gave up 😞 I have decent fluid and it was replaced by Dovehouse Indy in August, I have stainless hoses and new brembo disks all round. I rate this car so much but the only thing I feel is lacking is the bite of the disks - waaaay back I had EBC greenstuff on my mk1 MX5 that were epic. I wasnt sure if there was a recommended for better than stock [sure I got the brembo or textar in 2020]... if its a case of just signposting me to the correct thread - I thank you in advance! I dont do track days but I do drive in a spirited fashion at times when its dry and there is only myself to get in a muddle, I have noticed it more actually since putting on the Pilot4S's 😁 happy New years eve eve 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
map Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Was recommended Carbon Lorraine RC5 pads by this forum. Pad compound superseded by RC5+ which are superb. Mainly road use by me but plenty of track miles - highly recommended. Initially I only fitted them to the front axle - have since installed on rears too. Another tangible step up in performance. Brake config is standard 986S calipers and disks. Upgraded fluid, flexibles and underbody cooling. You can buy direct and they are good to draw with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 I don't think you will find many pads which will have more initial cold bite. Most pad upgrades are aimed at stopping for longer and coping with heat better. A bigger disc will give more leverage and may give the feel of more bite at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 So what pads do you have now? A few years ago my mate bought a 986 and when I had a go I was shocked at the brakes. They felt like mush. I told him in no uncertain terms. He went through changing pads, fluid and flexis. It didn't really fix it. The only things left were the MC itself, the calipers and the discs themselves. I have read that the discs themselves can make a big difference. You mention Brembo discs but most people talk about Pagid discs for Porsche. Calipers can be refurbed. Maybe this could help. You will need to start chasing whatever is left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, map said: Was recommended Carbon Lorraine RC5 pads by this forum. Pad compound superseded by RC5+ which are superb. Mainly road use by me but plenty of track miles - highly recommended. cool thanks - will look them up 24 minutes ago, ATM said: So what pads do you have now? I have brembo pads - I bought from Design911 and got a set of brembo discs and pads to match I did wonder if I needed to perhaps try a new MC and maybe upgrade to a GT3 one. Pads seemed like an easier option. Maybe I have glazed them - whats the best way to deglaze? I do have the front ducts too - so the only thing not changed has been the MC.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Have you done a decent bedding in of the new discs and pads? Plenty of guides out there for how to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, edc said: I don't think you will find many pads which will have more initial cold bite. Most pad upgrades are aimed at stopping for longer and coping with heat better. A bigger disc will give more leverage and may give the feel of more bite at the top. Basically this ^^ Track pads tend to feel different from road pads but initial bite is usually the same or worse. Road pads will bite better from 100mph+ but then give nothing more whereas track pads will bite better once you have some heat in them (ie. Initial bite maybe worse but from 90-10mph will be much better). People who claim that they need better brakes usually don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Forget the pads, It's a GT3 M/C that you need to have a less mushy pedal. Cheaper than pads and will last forever. Google it and do a search on here for happy converters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, andygo said: Forget the pads, It's a GT3 M/C that you need to have a less mushy pedal. Cheaper than pads and will last forever. Google it and do a search on here for happy converters. Thanks any leads on a decent price for one? Gt3 MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Did you have new discs but old pads? How were they bed in again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 59 minutes ago, edc said: Did you have new discs but old pads? How were they bed in again? No sorry I replaced all at same time probably about 3000 miles ago, early 2020 from memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 hours ago, Dubdubz said: No sorry I replaced all at same time probably about 3000 miles ago, early 2020 from memory Where are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 If you're used to over-servoed brakes where you touch the pedal and the seatbelt hits your chest the Porsche brakes just aren't like that. They need a decent shove. They stop you pretty well though if they're working properly. Plenty of people go on track with the stock brakes and live to tell the tale. Have you inspected both sides of your discs to make sure you don't have a seized caliper? Other than that you could have wear in the master cylinder which is stopping you getting full hydraulic pressure. Or you're a demon braker and ought to be in formula 1.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, ATM said: Where are you? Edited answer as too much personal info on a public forum freaks me out…. Edited January 1, 2022 by Dubdubz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, JonSta said: If you're used to over-servoed brakes where you touch the pedal and the seatbelt hits your chest the Porsche brakes just aren't like that. They need a decent shove. They stop you pretty well though if they're working properly. Plenty of people go on track with the stock brakes and live to tell the tale. Have you inspected both sides of your discs to make sure you don't have a seized caliper? Other than that you could have wear in the master cylinder which is stopping you getting full hydraulic pressure. Or you're a demon braker and ought to be in formula 1.... maybe its this jumped in my daughters mini one the other day and it felt like that I would be going through the windscreen! I might youtube de-glazing and give it a go first edit not yet checked discs - think I'll try and do that next weekend Edited December 31, 2021 by Dubdubz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygo Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Loads of stuff here about the GT3 Master cylinder tweak. https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/2386-cheap-gt3-master-cylinder/ I absolutely 100% guarantee this will sort you out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, andygo said: Loads of stuff here about the GT3 Master cylinder tweak. https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/2386-cheap-gt3-master-cylinder/ I absolutely 100% guarantee this will sort you out! Thanks @andygo, that was useful. Just ordered the GT3 master cylinder for just under £80 and now added to my 2022 to-do-list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 I’ve just been reading that same thread, seems like a bargain upgrade… where did you order from for UK delivery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV8 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 I have found the pedal feel soft on both of my Porsches compared with my TVRs in particular and put it down to the brake hoses. The Porsche brakes work extremely well (not tested for fade on track) but the new and upgraded to braided hoses (goodridge I think) made a lot of difference to the pedal feel. Same on my triumphs before the TVRs as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 41 minutes ago, Hainesy said: I’ve just been reading that same thread, seems like a bargain upgrade… where did you order from for UK delivery? Here. Free delivery, VAT paid £76.43p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393103626698 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Thanks, but looks like you just bagged the last set 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hainesy said: Thanks, but looks like you just bagged the last set 😀 Oops, soz. Didn’t mean to taunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hainesy Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Don't worry about it, it's not something I'd do straight away anyway - will just keep an eye out for a set and bag it next time I can find one >£100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funbobby Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Would this be easy enough for an indie to change then? on the cayman forums seems to be some issues bleeding the system properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubdubz Posted December 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, BBB said: Here. Free delivery, VAT paid £76.43p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393103626698 Is that a gt3 version then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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