Sammysmiths Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Tried Night breakers for 4 weeks once. That’s the total time they worked for before they were both blown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPaulie Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Mine been in a few years now, no problems. No where near LED brightness, but street legal and a decent-ish improvement over the standard candles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Silver Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 23 hours ago, ½cwt said: Glasses at 30 old man! 45 before I needed mine, have a tanner back. PS - Show your elders some respect, 30 + 20 = 50, I'm 1969 vintage... work it out. Flipping Whippersnappers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBarediver Posted December 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Well, I've had them in for two weeks now and they seem fine. A bit better than the old bulbs I had in but certainly not mindblowingly so. They illuminate the road far enough in front of me for my peace of mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDonald Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, RedBarediver said: A bit better than the old bulbs I had in but certainly not mindblowingly so. They illuminate the road far enough in front of me for my peace of mind. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ken Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/20/2021 at 6:24 PM, JonSta said: This. They're better but they're not night and day. Geddit? Night and day? Ebay LEDs with knock your socks off in comparison. In fact I must get around doing them. Illegal in the UK unless originally fitted with automatic levelling and washers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Yet I've had them 3 years, passed every MOT and somehow I'm not in prison. And I never get flashed by oncoming cars even when driving in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edc Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 48 minutes ago, JonSta said: Yet I've had them 3 years, passed every MOT and somehow I'm not in prison. And I never get flashed by oncoming cars even when driving in Europe. Speeding is illegal but I bet you get away with it most of the time too and haven't gone to prison for it 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Don’t mention his new patio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninesomething Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 5 hours ago, edc said: Speeding is illegal but I bet you get away with it most of the time too and haven't gone to prison for it 😜 Zactly. Plenty of things are technically illegal. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 21 hours ago, Rev Ken said: Illegal in the UK unless originally fitted with automatic levelling and washers. Incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMA Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/blog/are-led-headlights-legal-in-the-uk/#:~:text=Are LED Upgrade Bulbs Road Legal%3F 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ken Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/31/2021 at 7:46 PM, K.I.T.T. said: Incorrect. "Existing halogen headlamp units on vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp for light source and lamp not compatible. This does not refer to complete replacement headlamp units which may be constructed with HID or LED light sources. If a complete headlamp unit has been replaced with a unit that was manufactured with HID or LED light sources, it must not be failed for ‘Light source and lamp not compatible’ but it must meet all other requirements detailed in section 4 of this manual specific to the type fitted at the time of test." DVSA MOT manual updated 14th October 2021. I guess we are both 'right and wrong'*. (But they still dazzle!) * I admit that C&U regs have moved on since they mandated self levelling and washers and that I am 'out of date'! (Like the rest of me....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 47 minutes ago, Rev Ken said: but it must meet all other requirements detailed in section 4 of this manual specific to the type fitted at the time of test What does "section 4" say regarding what a retro fit should have ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Rev Ken said: "Existing halogen headlamp units on vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp for light source and lamp not compatible. This does not refer to complete replacement headlamp units which may be constructed with HID or LED light sources. If a complete headlamp unit has been replaced with a unit that was manufactured with HID or LED light sources, it must not be failed for ‘Light source and lamp not compatible’ but it must meet all other requirements detailed in section 4 of this manual specific to the type fitted at the time of test." DVSA MOT manual updated 14th October 2021. I guess we are both 'right and wrong'*. (But they still dazzle!) * I admit that C&U regs have moved on since they mandated self levelling and washers and that I am 'out of date'! (Like the rest of me....) Yes, but I don't see how that's relevant to your previous post. You said: On 12/30/2021 at 10:13 PM, Rev Ken said: Illegal in the UK unless originally fitted with automatic levelling and washers. Automatic levelling and washers are not required. [b]If[/b] they are fitted, they need to work (post 2009). To reiterate what's been discussed in page 2 at length, if the LEDs are of a low enough colour temp, and are of decent quality such that the beam pattern is fine with your reflector headlights aligned they'll probably pass an MOT. In the case of projector healights for 987 onwards, do whatever you want (LEDs / HIDs) as long as they're aligned. It's "legal" in that it will get through an MOT, even though it may not be 100% legal in the letter of the law (unless your car is registered before 1 April 1986). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, Paul P said: What does "section 4" say regarding what a retro fit should have ? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment#section-4-1-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, K.I.T.T. said: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment#section-4-1-4 Thanks for the link..... I read that as "if it has levellers they should work" and "if it has washers they should work" - and also, if it has "HID" then it should be marked appropriately - so purely from my interest and reading - then if it's not originally HID and they spot it they might fail it - but it the headlights are replaced with "HID" versions then they don't need levellers or washers to pass. I also note my Audi with the manual headlight adjustment that stopped working on one side, should have failed the 6 mot's it went through after I manually adjusted it to be "level" ........ Minefield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Paul P said: I read that as "if it has levellers they should work" and "if it has washers they should work" - and also, if it has "HID" then it should be marked appropriately - so purely from my interest and reading - then if it's not originally HID and they spot it they might fail it - but it the headlights are replaced with "HID" versions then they don't need levellers or washers to pass. You've hit the nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pordave Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Surely though the following should apply. If you have an accident you have No insurance cover for bald tyres No insurance cover for no MOT No insurance cover for modifying your cars engine without notification. An observant assessor may just spot bulbs if it’s not a head on smash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 If you have a prang and have bald tyres, no MOT, or undeclared engine mods well, sucks to be you Nobody's suggesting to hide lighting upgrades (or any other mods) from your insurance company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Ken Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 7:33 PM, K.I.T.T. said: You've hit the nail on the head. I THOUGHT I had admitted that I was out of date reference self levelling and washers, but I hope you read the bit I posted! that is if someone just replaces a halogen bulb with an HID bulb or an LED it is a fail, even if it meets the beam pattern. However if the whole unit is replaced with an HID unit it must be passed, (assuming it has a correct beam pattern.) See the first para of my posting of the MOT manual - which is up to date as of October 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Think we are all agreeing to be honest. personally I don’t rate the perceptive powers of an mot tester very highly. Plenty of occurrences of same car same tester same “issue” being an advisory one year and never mentioned again. another lifetime ago a mate had a decent motorbike and a shagged one same model. We took them for an mot back to back. Decent one passed, cr*p one failed. Tester said “I am going to lunch. You can borrow my tools if you want to swap the wheels and the headlight and the exhaust over for the retest” - at that point I figured mot is Tick box for anyone who actually takes any pride or care in their vehicles nobody disagrees that better lights are better it’s just the pedantic cr*p that crosses mot and insurance where it clouds and judging by the wreckage up the bank at the end of the local bypass every corsa and Saxo has “competition use only “ everything bolted to it. I doubt the ins co have binned all those claims. Mostly they never see a car - just get a pet bodywork co to say “that will be 5 grand mate” and they say “write off here’s a tenner” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iborguk Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Paul P said: judging by the wreckage up the bank at the end of the local bypass every corsa and Saxo has “competition use only “ everything bolted to it. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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