Is it worth it ? Possible Macan purchase ?

[dpg123]

2 hours ago, Menoporsche said:

 

I was thinking with that price, they saw him coming a mile away...

I would have loved a Macan for what it does but I have no interest in paying Porsche servicing costs for my family car.

But you don't have to. You can still have your warranty and service it at a specialist with Porsche parts. My experience is that's a big saver if you don't live where I do (London) and things like services, brakes, anything big are similar to any other brand. I went from a Land Rover (RR Sport) that demanded a service every year - in reality it needed an oil change every 6 months because of "fuel contamination - they all do that Sir" and it was a total nightmare. The Macan is serviced every 2 years, any big ticket items are predictable (like brakes) and apart from a couple of hiccups (which were perfectly dealt with by Porsche Assist) it's been a wonderful car to own. Yes, a VW or similar are probably cheaper to run, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a big difference. I service it at the OPC but I've only had to do it once so far (in 2 yrs) and the next is due in May 2025...and that's an interim. 

[r1flyguy]

2 hours ago, lawrencequinn said:

I have 2019 S gen 2 and used to get 30-32 on a 65 mile run. I got 26.8 over 510 miles at about 80. 

Is that same speed on both accounts?

Speed is the key, I set CC at the speed limits and in the roadworks the reduced limits so was quite impressed with 33mpg over 174 miles tbh!

[CMA]

42 minutes ago, dpg123 said:

But you don't have to. You can still have your warranty and service it at a specialist with Porsche parts.

You can for the manufacturers warranty (2 years from new on Porsche I think) but not for the extended warranty, which isn't a warranty but an insurance product so can have what ever terms they wish.

Section 2 point C of the extended warranty terms says:

A claim will be invalid if "Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the vehicle by you or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre"

So you may fit the correct genuine parts but unless it was done by Porsche themselves you risk any claim being refused. You could argue, how will they know another OPC didn't do the work if its something like disks and pads, but not as easy on a service. I imagine if you have a claim on a gearbox they wouldn't check your brakes were fitted by an OPC, but if you had a hub/suspension fault, they might look closer.  All depends on how by the book your OPC is and your appetite to risk.

https://www.porscheretailgroup.co.uk/binary/getasync/f39049c6-352c-4ac0-be80-049de628ee76/porsche approved warranty terms and conditions.pdf

[Stuart21UK]

39 minutes ago, CMA said:

You can for the manufacturers warranty (2 years from new on Porsche I think) but not for the extended warranty, which isn't a warranty but an insurance product so can have what ever terms they wish.

Section 2 point C of the extended warranty terms says:

A claim will be invalid if "Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the vehicle by you or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre"

So you may fit the correct genuine parts but unless it was done by Porsche themselves you risk any claim being refused. You could argue, how will they know another OPC didn't do the work if its something like disks and pads, but not as easy on a service. I imagine if you have a claim on a gearbox they wouldn't check your brakes were fitted by an OPC, but if you had a hub/suspension fault, they might look closer.  All depends on how by the book your OPC is and your appetite to risk.

https://www.porscheretailgroup.co.uk/binary/getasync/f39049c6-352c-4ac0-be80-049de628ee76/porsche approved warranty terms and conditions.pdf

is that even legal?

[CMA]

3 minutes ago, Stuart21UK said:

is that even legal?

I'm no lawyer but I would guess it is. Basically it's a customer buying an insurance policy with the stated terms. Same sort of thing as buying car insurance, drive drunk and crash and you're not covered. All in the terms you agree to when purchasing the policy.

[Stuart21UK]

23 hours ago, CMA said:

I'm no lawyer but I would guess it is. Basically it's a customer buying an insurance policy with the stated terms. Same sort of thing as buying car insurance, drive drunk and crash and you're not covered. All in the terms you agree to when purchasing the policy.

what about right to repair though? is that not a thing in the UK? 

i.e. ability to get serviced/work done by anyone AS LONG as OEM parts and procedures followed...

[EXY]

11 hours ago, Stuart21UK said:

what about right to repair though? is that not a thing in the UK? 

i.e. ability to get serviced/work done by anyone AS LONG as OEM parts and procedures followed...

I know it as, Block Exemption Regulation.

But as CMA says, you pays your money and sign on the dotted line.

[dpg123]

1 hour ago, EXY said:

I know it as, Block Exemption Regulation.

But as CMA says, you pays your money and sign on the dotted line.

Either way, brakes are not a £6k job...and there are now also service plans available for Macan's which help reduce/spread the costs. I'm not saying these are cheap cars to run but if you've spent the money on a new GTS then you can probably afford to run it...

[CMA]

1 hour ago, EXY said:

I know it as, Block Exemption Regulation.

But as CMA says, you pays your money and sign on the dotted line.

Yep, block exemption I believe only applies to manufacturers warranty from new. the extended (approved used) warranty isn't a manufacturers warranty but an insurance policy you buy, so is exempt from those rules.

 

[Menoporsche]

A bit of info here, updated for the EU/UK disparity, noting that the original 2010 law is now going to be updated.

https://www.stevens-bolton.com/site/insights/briefing-notes/the-motor-vehicle-block-exemption-regulation 

"With regard to vehicle warranties and repair/maintenance carried out by independent providers, the CMA proposes to provide MVBEO Guidance to clarify that clauses in OEMs’ and authorised dealers/repairers’ documents to consumers should state that consumers can use services of independent repairers without losing warranty benefits."

But do your own research - we know these people employ armies of lawyers (and we also know about dieselgate).

[EXY]

8 hours ago, dpg123 said:

Either way, brakes are not a £6k job...and there are now also service plans available for Macan's which help reduce/spread the costs. I'm not saying these are cheap cars to run but if you've spent the money on a new GTS then you can probably afford to run it...

I think you got the wrong end of the stick.

Block Exemption Rule/Regulation AFAIK means providing you use OEM (or better) quality parts and have them fitted following manufacturers recommended service intervals by a VAT registered garage your manufacturers warranty remains valid. As Meno says it is under revision ATM so buyer beware.

There are other stipulations such as the manufacturer must make special tools/software/service information available for reasonable cost, mind you their idea of reasonable is debatable  

That's all off the top of my head and I haven't looked closely at it in well over 20 years so take my ramblings with a pinch of salt.

Something tells me Porsche warranty was/is actually TWO years with the third year deleteable for a discount, not sure how third year shenanigans stands with BER.

But we digress I agree fully with what @CMA says, you sign up to their T&C's so must abide by them.

Out of curiosity how much is it to replace PCCB Brakes on a Macan? can't see you having much, if any, change from £6k 

[CMA]

1 hour ago, EXY said:

Out of curiosity how much is it to replace PCCB Brakes on a Macan? can't see you having much, if any, change from £6k 

https://www.design911.co.uk/porsche/macan/replacement-for-ceramic-disc/

Looks like non standard ceramic replacements for just discs, no pads is about £4k all round. Jeez, thank feck I have boring old fashioned steelies on my Macan GTS. 

[Araf]

16 minutes ago, CMA said:

https://www.design911.co.uk/porsche/macan/replacement-for-ceramic-disc/

Looks like non standard ceramic replacements for just discs, no pads is about £4k all round. Jeez, thank feck I have boring old fashioned steelies on my Macan GTS. 

4x the cost of conventional but they last around 120k.

[CMA]

On 6/29/2023 at 8:58 AM, D8EAN said:

i binned my GTS at 18,000 miles  - had to have new pads and discs all round and the quote was close to 6k thru porsche

38 minutes ago, Araf said:

4x the cost of conventional but they last around 120k.

Perhaps @D8EAN had a fault/damage if they were ceramics then for them all to need replacing at 18k? Or the dealership wanted to rip off someone for replacement steelies

[r1flyguy]

26 minutes ago, CMA said:

Perhaps @D8EAN had a fault/damage if they were ceramics then for them all to need replacing at 18k? Or the dealership wanted to rip off someone for replacement steelies

Are you sure your not confusing the brakes with the current setup on the GTS which is “Porsche Surface Coated Brake (PSCB), with a thin tungsten carbide coating on the brake discs, offers a faster response, increased friction coefficients, less wear and up to 90 per cent less brake dust compared with conventional grey cast iron brakes”

I may be wrong but I’m guessing the price for replacement will be in between the steels and the PCCB’s

Edited July 5, 2023 by r1flyguy

[dpg123]

8 hours ago, r1flyguy said:

Are you sure your not confusing the brakes with the current setup on the GTS which is “Porsche Surface Coated Brake (PSCB), with a thin tungsten carbide coating on the brake discs, offers a faster response, increased friction coefficients, less wear and up to 90 per cent less brake dust compared with conventional grey cast iron brakes”

I may be wrong but I’m guessing the price for replacement will be in between the steels and the PCCB’s

I read the PSCB's were expected to last 60k miles before replacement. I also read that most PCCB owners switch to standard steels come replacement time.

[r1flyguy]

2 hours ago, dpg123 said:

I read the PSCB's were expected to last 60k miles before replacement. I also read that most PCCB owners switch to standard steels come replacement time.

I hope so too as I have them on mine!!!! but what you read and what occurs may well be 2 different things! But I agree £6k estimate for brakes is comical after such little use, unless it was 18k miles of track days 🤣

[dpg123]

2 minutes ago, r1flyguy said:

I hope so too as I have them on mine!!!! but what you read and what occurs may well be 2 different things! But I agree £6k estimate for brakes is comical after such little use, unless it was 18k miles of track days 🤣

How much are a set of PCCB's on your 10 wheeler?!

[Menoporsche]

It's just a tank of fuel isn't it?

[D8EAN]

i remember it going in for a service Gen1 GTS - it had done around 18,000 miles - daily driver to work and a few family trips.

From memory the note on collection was discs and pads were on their way out and he made a comment that cost would be around 6k - maybe that included a bigger service which would of been done at the same time? I was half thinking of selling it anyway at the time and that just made me pull the trigger a bit quicker.

I've just had the same on the q7 - new discs and pads all round due as 80% worn (so they told me) cost £3200 with a couple of tyres chucked in for good measure so i've sold it and replaced with another q7. 

I remember the scary stories from when I had the ferrari - discs and pads (Ceramic) back then in 05/06 were 18k a set of 4! - that will teach you to lift and coast!!!!!

 

[EXY]

On 7/7/2023 at 11:18 AM, D8EAN said:

I remember the scary stories from when I had the ferrari - discs and pads (Ceramic) back then in 05/06 were 18k a set of 4! - that will teach you to lift and coast!!!!!

When I was learning to drive my Pop taught me to lift & coast as opposed to going down the gears, brakes are cheaper to replace than a clutch.

Then again I bet clutches are not cheap in a Ferrari either  

[CMA]

1 hour ago, EXY said:

When I was learning to drive my Pop taught me to lift & coast as opposed to going down the gears, brakes are cheaper to replace than a clutch.

If you rev match you can still go down the gears without using the clutch

[Greenman]

On 7/3/2023 at 9:18 PM, CMA said:

You can for the manufacturers warranty (2 years from new on Porsche I think) but not for the extended warranty, which isn't a warranty but an insurance product so can have what ever terms they wish.

Section 2 point C of the extended warranty terms says:

A claim will be invalid if "Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the vehicle by you or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Centre/Porsche Service Centre"

So you may fit the correct genuine parts but unless it was done by Porsche themselves you risk any claim being refused. You could argue, how will they know another OPC didn't do the work if its something like disks and pads, but not as easy on a service. I imagine if you have a claim on a gearbox they wouldn't check your brakes were fitted by an OPC, but if you had a hub/suspension fault, they might look closer.  All depends on how by the book your OPC is and your appetite to risk.

https://www.porscheretailgroup.co.uk/binary/getasync/f39049c6-352c-4ac0-be80-049de628ee76/porsche approved warranty terms and conditions.pdf

Your comments here partly misrepresent what the actual clauses are for the warranty.

section 2 actual says a claim is invalid if the fault is caused by…..

So a claim would only be rejected if something you did or a part you installed caused such a failure,  given things like brakes etc aren’t covered anyway then doing your own (or getting an Indy to do it) would not invalidate anything none brake related. That’s not to say there might not be a couple of gray areas.  
I run the warranty to primarily cover PDK and engine issues, as a matter of fact I’ve claimed for multiple exhausts, multiple drivetrain mounts, washer pipes, fan motor/regulator…. None of these issues would be affected by me doing my own brakes (for example).