jayk Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, MIkeyv60 said: Maybe but if you look to see how many owners they have had does always seems to be 2 to 3 owners in a couple of years? How many owners has yours had? I am the second, first was Porsche GB. People maybe not using them daily and buying them for the summer only (mine was not used from November to March, I found this common some of my other cars. My 360 when I had it had 6 owners, my VX220T had 5 all in short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayk Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Leonard said: I dont think the 718 sounds bad as such. It's just that the 918 sounds sooo good and is so charismatic Nice way to put it........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mneil Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, Leonard said: I dont think the 718 sounds bad as such. It's just that the 918 sounds sooo good and is so charismatic You sure are correct,the 918 sound awesome. The 981 sound pretty good also??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBD914 v2 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 My GTS was owned by Porsche GB and then me. I only use it from March to November, garaged over Winter. Exhaust notes and engine sounds are like music - some people like Rock, some like Motown while others prefer Reggae or Classical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 What does owned by porsche gb mean? Demo , press car etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, mneil said: You sure are correct,the 918 sound awesome. The 981 sound pretty good also??. Oooop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topradio Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 hours ago, MIkeyv60 said: What does owned by porsche gb mean? Demo , press car etc All of the above including being spanked around and around Silverstone for a few months. It's very common for sports cars to change hands quickly. Sometimes they are bought by people who had always coveted one only to find that it's not for them. But mostly there is a tendency for the cars to be bought by serial changers, people who want the next buzz and move on quickly. Its really common for a 5 year old Ferrari to have had 7 or 8 owners, I think its a reflection of the type of person buying these cars rather than the car itself. It's something that I personally don't understand. I bought my first Porsche new in 98 (and I still have it) and only bought a second one 16 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayk Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, topradio said: All of the above including being spanked around and around Silverstone for a few months. It's very common for sports cars to change hands quickly. Sometimes they are bought by people who had always coveted one only to find that it's not for them. But mostly there is a tendency for the cars to be bought by serial changers, people who want the next buzz and move on quickly. Its really common for a 5 year old Ferrari to have had 7 or 8 owners, I think its a reflection of the type of person buying these cars rather than the car itself. It's something that I personally don't understand. I bought my first Porsche new in 98 (and I still have it) and only bought a second one 16 years later. I'm one of these people who does look for the next fix, I think I've had 25 to 30 cars since 17 (so 15 years), some for only a few months, one for only a week (didn't like it on the drive home). I love driving them, detailing them but then your right look for the next fix. With the GTS it's hard to justify changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm E Box Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, jayk said: I'm one of these people who does look for the next fix, I think I've had 25 to 30 cars since 17 (so 15 years), some for only a few months, one for only a week (didn't like it on the drive home). I love driving them, detailing them but then your right look for the next fix. With the GTS it's hard to justify changing. I used to do that. I have bought all sorts of fast cars for "the fix". Cosworths, Integrales, 944, Turbo this, GTi that etc. And I used to change them on almost a weekly or monthly basis. More to say that I owned it and driven it. I remember going to work one month and going in three different Escort Cosworths. All I had bought and sold. The other mechanics used to run a book on whether tomorrows car would be the same as todays. Nowadays I have calmed down but still keep a car two years maximum. Maybe a sign of old age but for me I couldn't keep a car for donkeys years. I like cars and I love Porsche above any other brand but having driven so many both personally and professionally I just don't have a really emotional connection with them. That said after the 981 it will defo be another Porsche but I would be thinking long and hard about a 718. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzfox Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 23 hours ago, MIkeyv60 said: Are they that focused they are difficult to live with for a daily car? Quite the opposite, I'm finding it very hard to live without mine at the moment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayk Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 10 hours ago, MIkeyv60 said: Yellow is a brave colour There has been yellow one for sale on auto trader at Proctor cars for a couple of months They increased the price though That was spec'd by Stevie Wonder! What a mess of a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 8:26 PM, MIkeyv60 said: The GTS has held its value really well , well more than well really as the price you paid for your car isnt far off what it cost new 2 years ago. Mine has a lot of options and so I paid about £11k less than the cost new from memory but yes you are correct they have held their values well. That was one of the attractions for me not a disadvantage. There are no certainties in life but I like to think I know the porsche market as well as anyone. My choices of porsche that where available to me including 911's, new 718's led me to the 981 GTS being the best "value" in terms of total cost of ownership and enjoyment for me. I really think porsches move of mainstream models to Forced induction will be on a par with their move to water cooled (well maybe thats exaggerating a little) and the "coveted" / low production / special edition run out N/A models across the ranges will always hold values well. Only time will tell but I'm overjoyed with my purchase. It is a fact you simply cannot replicate the sound of a NA engine with a FI one without cheating, just as you cannot replicate the experience of an air cooled porsche (sound and smell) with a water cooled. Most will not know what they are missing so it won't matter to them just as with air cooled v water cooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 10:07 PM, MIkeyv60 said: One thing i have found with GTS's is people dont keep them for long. The couple i looked at had 2 or 3 owners in 2 years, In the case of Jontt's GTS he is the 4th owner? To me that seems a lot for a car that's just over 2 1/2 years old? Are they that focused they are difficult to live with for a daily car? Yes I'm the forth owner..... 1st was OPC as it was an in house build hence the very high spec, it sold within 1 week of 1st registration to the 2nd owner who had it for nearly 2 years. Then it was bought by a very good customer of the OPC as an interim car for a few months whilst he awaited the delivery of a new porsche. Then I bought it. I learned a long time ago that numbers of owners means nothing. I have seen 1 owner cars that just have not been looked after ie they are just taken for granted and I've seen many owner cars that are immaculate as many owners have lavished money on their ne pride and joy and vice versa. In the case of my car it was immaculate and benefited from additional loving including a full front half protection film etc...... plus sports especially convertibles generally have more owners v age ie people run them for one summer plus the GTS is a car that stands out as there are only ever a handful for sale. There will be plenty out there which are one owner and simply have not hit the 2nd hand market yet ie where purchased on 3 year lease /loan deals, be patient and they will start to appear, and probably attract a premium due being "one owner" lol, driving / maintaining the GTs market, I've seen it all before. The 718 GTS will be interesting how that affects 981 GTS market, again time will tell but I really think there are enough enthusiasts who appreciate NA over FI (such as me) to have no material effect, there are only a small number of GTS out there and consequently they only require a small number of buyers, as always simple supply and demand I think will maintain the value of 981 GTS's despite the 718 GTS entering the market. No doubt the 718 GTS will be a great car but there is simply no way it will sound like a NA engine can. The 981 GTS is generally accepted as one of the best sounding NA engines ever. I have driven a lot of spectacular NA cars and the 981 GTS in terms of sound and the experience it gives you is on par with cars costing 4 times the price. As the old saying goes buy on condition, you are buying the car not its previous owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonttt Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 13 hours ago, GTB981 said: Is a 981 GTS albeit a year newer than my 981 really worth an additional £30k ? that`s the current approximate cost to change...... Only you can answer that but.... if your 981 is an S, Sport Chrono, PSE, PASM then no IMHO. I always look at total cost of ownership and not simply the capital outlay. To me you have to factor in that the GTS will not depreciate as much as even a great spec none GTS and that would reflect in the total cost of ownership as all other costs in a material sense are the same. So the true cost would not be £30k in the example above but you would of course be tying up more capital in the asset and there is no certainty what the resale value will be. The fact the depreciation curve would be better is sound though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 GTS potential buyers are picky though and are not buying just to have one. There always seems to be a few that never sell i.e wrong spec or colour, but if the right one comes along it doesnt stay on the forecourt for very long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTB981 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 So what is a good spec for a 981 GTS ? The GT Silver one at Mid Sussex OPC looks good to me and has options I would choose. Also sensibly priced or is that because it lacks certain options ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenman Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 That md Sussex GTS seems to have everything it should as far as I can tell (I don't like the carbon interior trim myself but very minor) Sensibly priced is a matter of opinion, it's pretty much the same spec/mileage as the 'S' I bought a year ago but for £14k less as a year newer car, but I guess that's the GTS premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBD914 v2 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 2 hours ago, GTB981 said: So what is a good spec for a 981 GTS ? The GT Silver one at Mid Sussex OPC looks good to me and has options I would choose. Also sensibly priced or is that because it lacks certain options ? Pretty good spec, I wouldn't have the power steering plus though. It would benefit from colour coded roll over hoops, PDLS, PTV and Adaptive Sports Seats Plus. Apart from that it's a perfect spec - except I would skip the PDK...dons tin hat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeyv60 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 If it's ticks all the boxes and it's what you want then go for. Everyone has an opinion and like this and that etc so it clouds your mind thinking if you are doing the right thing etc. Just remember it's your car no one else's so as long as you happy what else maters? I personally like a good spec others don't.one thing I try and avoid are diamond cut wheels purely for the fact they are so expensive to repair if kerbed. There is one on auto trader that is really basic as in no heated seats, trim etc I think you may find snooze you lose with a silver one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT0oMAPL6bE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTB981 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, RBD914 v2 said: Pretty good spec, I wouldn't have the power steering plus though. It would benefit from colour coded roll over hoops, PDLS, PTV and Adaptive Sports Seats Plus. Apart from that it's a perfect spec - except I would skip the PDK...dons tin hat! Mine has colour coded hoops in GT Silver so could be part of the deal. I don`t like the wheels at all and again would want my Techno Sports put on it. Tempting.........wonder if they could put my red roof on it.....maybe a bit too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayk Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Good reviews of the GTS, that I have watched multiple times. Was hoping to get back in mine this weekend but the weather says rain rain rain...... "A car that makes you laugh" Reason I bought a Boxster not a Cayman. Drove both back to back including PDK and Manual. Boxster roof off noise won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPS Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Interesting Videos. So how close is an S with the bits to a GTS with the same bits. Is the difference just a bit more HP an extra radiator and piped PSE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayk Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, CPS said: Interesting Videos. So how close is an S with the bits to a GTS with the same bits. Is the difference just a bit more HP an extra radiator and piped PSE ? I've never driven one, I originally was looking at Cayman S's, then I sat in a GTS and really liked the GTS interior pack over the S which were mostly just leather. Id think if you have an S with PASM or X73, Chrono, PSE its going to be very similar. I think the differences are the GTS gets: 20" Wheels, Different Front Bumper & Splitter, Rear Diffuser and Smoked Lights, PASM or X73, Chrono, PSE, Sports Plus Seats, PDLS. That lot isn't bad for circa £5K more than an S at new price. But then come the silly option price, GTS Interior Pack (Some stiching 2 or 2.5K)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTB981 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Much as it pains me as I hate waiting and am in the position to buy, I am going to wait to see the specs & price of the 718 GTS before deciding which way to go. By that time there should also be more 981 GTS available as PCP end. This is so painful as I REALLY like the yellow 981 GTS at Portsmouth. Yes, I`m weird, but I ride a Vmax ! I`m hopefully having a 718 for a week after Easter while mine goes in for investigative work so should be a good trial to and from work etc and familiar roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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