Davey P Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Menoporsche said: Was that the Davey P who got suckered into spending an absolute fortune as he didn't ask the forum's advice first? Edit - oh hi Davey, didn't see you - how's life? I suppose you think that's funny...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, Glosrich said: Very often cars dont have anything more than a stamp in a service book. I guess this is a gdpr thing.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, ½cwt said: Which in a year or two could well have developed the same problems leaving you with a bigger overall cost..... As is often repeated about 986 variants, buy well with good documented history but make sure you have about £1.5k to do the work that will almost certainly be required in year one. A lot of the time someone is selling because a big job is coming up or a lot of small jobs are accumulating. I cannot agree more with this. Unless you are buying a brand new car, any used car is likely to have issues and buying a more expensive one is no guarantee that it will be any better than buying a cheaper one. With an old Porsche I think you basically pay your money and take your chance. An inspection might minimise the risk but it is no guarantee (they often miss fairly expensive issues). In terms of the OPs issue, it is a really common issue and whilst annoying, I wouldn't get too hung up about it. Either fix it yourself or pay an indy and move on wiith your life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lennym1984 said: I cannot agree more with this. Unless you are buying a brand new car, any used car is likely to have issues and buying a more expensive one is no guarantee that it will be any better than buying a cheaper one. With an old Porsche I think you basically pay your money and take your chance. An inspection might minimise the risk but it is no guarantee (they often miss fairly expensive issues). In terms of the OPs issue, it is a really common issue and whilst annoying, I wouldn't get too hung up about it. Either fix it yourself or pay an indy and move on wiith your life 👆 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glosrich Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulQ said: I guess this is a gdpr thing.? Yes definatley. Dealers cant be bothered to cut the Names and Addresses out of old bills, so they just get binned. Annoying as you lose a lot of history of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Glosrich said: Yes definatley. Dealers cant be bothered to cut the Names and Addresses out of old bills, so they just get binned. Annoying as you lose a lot of history of the car. As a careful owner sensitive to our vehicle's history, I guess we should get out a broad tipped black marker pen and draw through name and address details on invoices to preserve the documentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenM Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 I have found a local garage which specialise in Porsche and have decided to take it there tomorrow to have the aluminium cross pipes and the four rubber hoses replaced then re-filled with new coolant. I will let you know how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricof Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 19 hours ago, StephenM said: I have found a local garage which specialise in Porsche and have decided to take it there tomorrow to have the aluminium cross pipes and the four rubber hoses replaced then re-filled with new coolant. I will let you know how that goes. If you wouldn't mind sharing the cost (parts & labour time), i'm sure that would be of some use to members on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidd Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 I had mine done last year, or the one before. Had one quote for stupid money locally (>1K). Ended up having it done at a very reasonable cost at revolution. For reference, one quoted 6 hours, one quoted 3 (from memory). Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenM Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Had the aluminium pipes and all the rubber pipes replaced at a local Porsche specialist (Indy) and got the car back today 😃 All going well so took her for a run into London to collect some equipment from my office - strange driving in London at the moment - so little traffic - wish it would stay like that !! Anyway the car went very well and no sign of over heating - I will check the coolant levels in the morning to make sure, the garage gave me some top up coolant just in case. The chap who did the work said that he managed to save the two long pipes which go back to the engine and that it had obviously been leaking slowly for quite some time. Glad it’s been sorted out properly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey P Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, StephenM said: Anyway the car went very well and no sign of over heating - I will check the coolant levels in the morning to make sure, the garage gave me some top up coolant just in case. It would be a good idea to keep a close eye on the coolant level every time you use it for the next few drives mate. When I had my coolant pipes and hoses replaced I needed to top up the coolant a couple of times in the weeks after it was done. I guess some garages are better at bleeding the system than others, and I think there's about 20 litres of coolant in there, so that's a lot of pipework for the coolant to get around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricof Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 14 hours ago, StephenM said: Had the aluminium pipes and all the rubber pipes replaced at a local Porsche specialist (Indy) and got the car back today 😃 All going well so took her for a run into London to collect some equipment from my office - strange driving in London at the moment - so little traffic - wish it would stay like that !! Anyway the car went very well and no sign of over heating - I will check the coolant levels in the morning to make sure, the garage gave me some top up coolant just in case. The chap who did the work said that he managed to save the two long pipes which go back to the engine and that it had obviously been leaking slowly for quite some time. Glad it’s been sorted out properly now. Good news Stephen! Would you be able to give us a ballpark figure of the cost for future reference please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 5/26/2020 at 5:01 PM, Glosrich said: Not sure how exactly you stand in a private sale, but you could just ask to return it or some contribution towards the repair costs. Caveat emptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, K.I.T.T. said: Caveat emptor. On 5/26/2020 at 5:51 PM, ½cwt said: @StephenM If a trader have a word, if a private sale it depends where the ad was placed as if the car was misrepresented on their site and could cause the site reputational damage you might get some backing from them vs the seller, but this is like are Facebook et al responsible for the content or just the platform? Otherwise sold as seen would apply. Caveat Emptor! (buyer beware) I was miffed by some of the issues I found on mine when I bought it but I took the risk of no inspection and agreed at point of sale with the trader that the car was sold as seen. Fortunately not too costly (well about £5-600) in my case. I think I said that !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.I.T.T. Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, ½cwt said: I think I said that !!! 🎖️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenM Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 @ricof @K.I.T.T. 1Don’t mind saying it cost £800 to have the water leaks fixed, to be honest I probably should have spotted it when I was buying it but I missed it, so it’s down to me, but worth checking for anyone else who is new to these cars before they buy. @Davey P thanks, I did check this morning and after my run yesterday topped up the coolant, I plan to do that most days before I start her up for a while until no more is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxstercol Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, StephenM said: @ricof @K.I.T.T. 1Don’t mind saying it cost £800 to have the water leaks fixed, to be honest I probably should have spotted it when I was buying it but I missed it, so it’s down to me, but worth checking for anyone else who is new to these cars before they buy. £800?!? Ouch!! Did they replace all the coolant pipes at the front including the aluminium cross over pipes? Did that include new coolant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenM Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Yes they replaced the two aluminium pies and the rubber hoses and replaced the coolant. All seems good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 Seems I spoke too soon about leaks! The drivers side hoses on mine have just started weeping. Does anybody have the part numbers/know the cost from an OPC? I'll be doing it myself so will hopefully cost me a little less than £800 (although I'm sure that if I were to put a price on the mental anguish, profuse swearing, angry wife etc, £800 would start to sound very cheap!) To the OP ( @StephenM ) well done for getting it fixed and don't sweat the "missing it during purchase." It can be tough to spot and very few (any??) used cars come without teething issues. I like to try and benchmark my "hobby costs" against general household expenses so (within the last 6 months or so)... Boiler sump cracked = £250 Leak beneath floor in playroom = £120 New tumble dryer when the old one started leaking = £180 New downstairs bathroom DIY (excluding the cost of the mental anguish) = £1200 When you look at it like this (and I like to make sure that my wife sees these figures), the ~£500 I have spent on my Cayman in the same period begins to look very cheap! Try it - it'll make you feel much better about the £800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bally4563 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 I have just purchased two from design 911 for £85 ( Return and supply inside the wheel arch, one was only weeping rad end) decided to do both whilst in there, thoughts at present if they are not leaking elsewhere leave alone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricof Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 For future reference, here is the parts breakdown when the front coolant pipes were replaced on my 987.1 last year. Done by a specialist in East Sussex. 987 Coolant pipe (front) replacement Replaced front coolant pipes, hoses, connectors, seals, gaskets and related parts as required. Total of 6no. hours of labour at £85 p/h + VAT Parts quant £rate £net 99710675204 Coolant pipe (supply) 1.00 78.96 78.96 99710675104 Coolant pipe (return) 1.00 78.96 78.96 99710671103 Coolant pipe upper cross-over 1.00 39.05 39.05 99710672003 Coolant pipe lower cross-over 1.00 40.54 40.54 99710655103 Coolant pipe connector sleeve 2.00 16.24 32.48 99710672307 Coolant pipe connector sleeve 2.00 18.57 37.14 99710662703 Coolant hose (supply) RH 1.00 26.50 26.50 99710672803 Coolant hose (return) LH 1.00 26.39 26.39 99710662403 Coolant hose (return) RH 1.00 20.83 20.83 99710662303 Coolant hose (supply) LH 1.00 20.83 20.83 99710657402 Coolant pipe support bracket 1.00 6.50 6.50 99710657302 Coolant pipe support bracket 1.00 6.50 6.50 99710652601 Coolant pipe support bracket 2.00 1.63 3.26 99710641301 Coolant pipe support bracket 2.00 3.21 6.42 90007402003 Coolant pipe support bracket bolt 2.00 0.96 1.92 99710652002 Coolant pipe support bracket RH 1.00 1.63 1.63 99710652102 Coolant pipe support bracket LH 1.00 1.55 1.55 Parts Sub Total £429.46 + VAT Total was £1126 inc VAT. Expensive job! Hope that helps as a frame of reference, I can't see how it could be much cheaper - the only variable I can see would be workshop labour rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bally4563 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 middle one is one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, bally4563 said: I have just purchased two from design 911 for £85 ( Return and supply inside the wheel arch, one was only weeping rad end) decided to do both whilst in there, thoughts at present if they are not leaking elsewhere leave alone!! This is my plan. I'm hoping that I can get the old ones off without having to swap over the alumnium cross pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Daniel Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 Mine just needed front section doing, list below is the parts I changed, all bought them from 9Apart 01706824053 997 106 711 01 £27.75 997 106 720 01 £28.83 997 106 728 03 £17.70 997 106 624 03 £14 997 106 623 03 £14 997 106 627 03 £17.75 Prices not including VAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bally4563 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 41 minutes ago, Lennym1984 said: This is my plan. I'm hoping that I can get the old ones off without having to swap over the alumnium cross pipe. Go careful with the Ali end it will be stuck fast and require the hose to collapse in to get it out, cut the hose off to expose the metal ferrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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