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Why/how is the 987.2 2.9 Cayman more powerful than the 2.9 Boxster?

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Lennym1984

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As per the title really...

It appears that the Cayman is 265BHP whereas the Boxster is only 255 BHP. Given that they are the same engine, why/how does the Cayman have 10 BHP more?

As a 2.7 Cayman owner I have no vested interest in the answer, I am simply curious

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Menoporsche

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Gotta cope with the weight of the roof?

Various special edition Boxsters managed to gain an extra ?10bhp, I think by valve timing or similar.

Remember when the Cayman first came out they charged a premium for it (and gave it the 3.4 engine first), probably as a marketing trick to make it more desirable.

By now they've realised, as did the world, that a convertible is generally valued more than its hard top equivalent.

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11 minutes ago, Menoporsche said:

By now they've realised, as did the world, that a convertible is generally valued more than its hard top equivalent.

I wish that was true mate.  I want a Cayman next, but the prices when comparing like for like (age/mileage etc) against my Boxster are insane.  I will probably have a self imposed budget of around £10K plus mine in P/X, but at the moment that would only get me an older car with higher mileage :cry:

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4 minutes ago, Menoporsche said:

Sellers want to recoup their outlay Davey...  New Caymans are cheaper than Boxsters, ISTR Porsche made the switch with the 718. But fair enough on your market research.

Damned selfish sellers, how dare they increase their prices just to reduce their losses.  Very inconsiderate of them! :lol:

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20 minutes ago, Davey P said:

I wish that was true mate.  I want a Cayman next, but the prices when comparing like for like (age/mileage etc) against my Boxster are insane.  I will probably have a self imposed budget of around £10K plus mine in P/X, but at the moment that would only get me an older car with higher mileage :cry:

I think the Cayman is considered to be the "ethusiasts choice" (in the same way that 911 coupes are valued significantly above the cabs) but the 718 Cayman is indeed cheaper. Whether it will hold it's value  better is yet to be seen (I personally think it will as it appeals to a slightly different buyer).

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to answer the original question they probably just pull a degree or 2 of spark advance.i really cant see that anyone could tell the difference though with a less than 5% gain/decrease and dont see why porsche bother with such trivial things.

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20 minutes ago, Lennym1984 said:

I think the Cayman is considered to be the "ethusiasts choice"

Dunno about that, but I just love the way they look, that's all :lol:

 

14 minutes ago, Lonewolfgjp said:

When I last looked 987 Caymans were roughly £2000 more than equivalent Boxsters.

If that was true, I would have bought one by now.... 

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20 minutes ago, Lennym1984 said:

I think the Cayman is considered to be the "ethusiasts choice" (in the same way that 911 coupes are valued significantly above the cabs) but the 718 Cayman is indeed cheaper. Whether it will hold it's value  better is yet to be seen (I personally think it will as it appeals to a slightly different buyer).

Hmm.  I'm convinced my proposal is correct, but obviously with a far broader range of exceptions than I'd originally considered.

If anyone wants to comment on the relative costs of the F-type, Audi TT, Golf GTi from the 80s, Z4 etc etc, I wonder what we'd come up with.

 

(probably a shouting match...)

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4 minutes ago, Davey P said:

Dunno about that, but I just love the way they look, that's all :lol:

 

If that was true, I would have bought one by now.... 

This was a few years ago when I bought my Black Edition so I’m unsure of the market now.

 I have driven both and the Cayman is a cracking car. It does feel a bit stiffer than a Boxster but I found sound is muted unless you put the windows down. I also felt the Boxster was the best of both as I think I would of got bored with having a fixed roof.

But beautiful car’s and I wouldn’t rule one out when I’m done with convertibles👍

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59 minutes ago, banjo1 said:

to answer the original question they probably just pull a degree or 2 of spark advance.i really cant see that anyone could tell the difference though with a less than 5% gain/decrease and dont see why porsche bother with such trivial things.

Another way is to give less throttle opening at WOT. 

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1 hour ago, banjo1 said:

to answer the original question they probably just pull a degree or 2 of spark advance.i really cant see that anyone could tell the difference though with a less than 5% gain/decrease and dont see why porsche bother with such trivial things.

Yeah that is what I assumed - it just seems a bit random and arbitrary (as you say, who is even going to feel 10bhp).

@MenoporscheJust to avoid a shouting match, I ought to make it abundantly clear that when it comes to the future value of cars, I literally know nothing about these things and am usually wrong :) I think the Boxster is probably the better all rounder (the 987 Cayman at least is quite stiffly sprung for British roads) but on a track (when you can push the limits a little) the Cayman handling is just that little bit better. For the  "no compromises" Porsche enthusiast, I can see that appealling (I mean the real beards don't half go on about non-sunroof 911s... and that's just a sunroof).

 

 

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3 hours ago, Davey P said:

I want a Cayman next, but the prices when comparing like for like (age/mileage etc) against my Boxster are insane.

Isn't it good old simple supply & demand?

There are many more Boxsters out there than Caymans. Neither is rare, but Caymans are rarer.

 

 

Cheers, Baggers.

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2 hours ago, Lennym1984 said:

@MenoporscheJust to avoid a shouting match, I ought to make it abundantly clear that when it comes to the future value of cars, I literally know nothing about these things and am usually wrong

I am probably wrong too, but I'll shout that I'm right - seems to be the way these days :) 

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I assumed that the extra 10bhp was due to a different engine tune and that a Cayman ECU plugged into a Boxster would give it an extra 10bhp. Does it make any difference? Dunno, but Porsche are notoriously twitchy about positioning within the market of the different models and figures on a piece of paper make a difference to some people. 

The debate about Cayman vs. Boxster will rage as long as there is petrol to fuel them. FWIW I prefer the way that the Cayman drives as it is stiffer, but the open-top on the Boxster is a nice thing on a warm day. However I bought a Cayman as it was our only car and we lived in Central London, so no problems with rooves being slashed and whatnot. Now we've moved out of town and have a more practical car as well then I could consider selling the Cayman and buying a Boxster. 

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A roof does tend to add extra rigidity 🙂 - I was pondering and thought no - strut braces are the way to sharpen the boxster up just a tad to the cayman I tested. Also I intend to put decent tyres on my summer wheels and when this goddam pandemic quietens get some decent drivier training....

I would have thought the detuned engines - so as to remain below all 911's - would yeild a bit more with a bits and bytes tweak but seemingly not...

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/component/ctvc/porsche/boxster-987-2004-2011/petrol/2-7-245-bhp-2004-2011-ECU-remap-chiptuning/stage-1#t3-content

my 13 plate diesel scirroco [sold for the Porsche] did really come alive after a tune, massive difference. Not sure I'd bother with the boxster...

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1 hour ago, Dubdubz said:

A roof does tend to add extra rigidity 🙂 - I was pondering and thought no - strut braces are the way to sharpen the boxster up just a tad to the cayman I tested. Also I intend to put decent tyres on my summer wheels and when this goddam pandemic quietens get some decent drivier training....

I would have thought the detuned engines - so as to remain below all 911's - would yeild a bit more with a bits and bytes tweak but seemingly not...

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/component/ctvc/porsche/boxster-987-2004-2011/petrol/2-7-245-bhp-2004-2011-ECU-remap-chiptuning/stage-1#t3-content

my 13 plate diesel scirroco [sold for the Porsche] did really come alive after a tune, massive difference. Not sure I'd bother with the boxster...

I had a remap on mine and it has made a nice difference. The figures gains aren’t huge but the car drives and picks up a lot smoother.  Seems a lot more responsive in the low to midrange and also sounds a bit more aggressive 👌

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Now that I have approval from the boss that the MX5 can stay as a 3rd car, the Cayman is on the list as I think they would be more fun than the equivalent priced 911. I’m sure there won’t be much difference in running costs if my Boxster was anything to go by. But still holding out for sign off on a Vantage/R8/Gran Turismo.... depends how quickly I need a car buying fix

something like this appears stonking value for money 

https://www.gumtree.com/p/porsche/porsche-cayman-2.7-987-high-spec/1389198247

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1 hour ago, Lonewolfgjp said:

I had a remap on mine and it has made a nice difference. The figures gains aren’t huge but the car drives and picks up a lot smoother.  Seems a lot more responsive in the low to midrange and also sounds a bit more aggressive 👌

Hi Lonewolf, 

Where did you get your remap done and was this to a base gen 2 or s model?

thanks

J

 

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Hi there, mine is a 3.4 gen 2 Black Edition 

Originally I had a friend of mine do it who convinced me he knew what he was doing 😩

It actually drove very well and sounded a lot louder but I felt the car was running to rich. It wasn’t drinking fuel but it was taking a long time to cool down even after a short journey and it burping a bit on the gear changes which is normally unburnt fuel.

 I took it to a local tuner to me who specialises in Audi/VW but he remaps all sorts. They read the map on the car and agreed it was safe but far from perfect. They said it was incomplete, what ever that means but they completely re did it and improved the torque curve.

Now it drives perfect, nice improvement with steady torque from low down and feels a lot more lively. It also doesn’t get as hot as it did😂

The place that did it is Kirks Garage in Wolverhampton. The guy who does the remapping and writes all the maps is excellent. Really knows his stuff 👍

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