Geoffjackson Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Hi folks dont know if you have seen my previous post regarding a rattle I have discovered on my 2.5. so I have had the car to a reputable specialist to investigate and the news is not good, the rattle is suspected to be an internal chain/ guide or infact potentially the dreaded ims. Im not seeking advise on potential diagnosis as I have decided to potentially break the car. The reason for this is, it’s the only way I can claw back what I have in this car in order to purchase another. The cost to fix the car would outweigh the actual purchase price. please let me confirm this is not a “for sale” post I’m seeking real advice from you guys. what advice would you offer regarding a method of breaking and what are the key parts and potential values. car is a 99 2.5 in silver, black leather, low owner. Everything works and is generally tidy all over. any advice would be welcome but please remain on topic as I’m looking for genuine advice. thanks in advance for your replies geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 I can't believe it's IMS, firstly they are low risk on the 2.5, secondly they give no warning. Chain guide very likely from what I understand. If you don't want to fix, sell it whole as a non-runner. There are people who buy these and fix them (and even some loonies who drop V6 engines in...) I think the going rate is around 2k. Mrbikerdood did years ago, @Topbox did last month. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpg123 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'd get a second opinion before scrapping the car. It might just be something fixable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickLS7 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 If the chain guide tensioners are failing then you will be able to see brown plastic fragments in the oil, was the oil analysed or filter checked? these can be replaced without engine removal. I can't see any detail on your previous post, what are the symtoms? is this just the normal startup rattle or is it continuous? Mine rattled for about a year until I finally tracked it down to the alternator. As Meno says, an IMS fialure on a 2.5 is very rare and failures are sudden not protracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffjackson Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Thanks guys for your replies i don’t really want to get into the mechanical side of the post as I said it’s already been to the specialist. I will try to sell the car whole first and take it from there regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman42 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Ebay is your friend here as it opens up the biggest market place for you - i would be tempted to try and sell as "Spares or Repair" first and describe the noise, you may be surprised at what offers you get, and then don't have the hassle of breaking. If you do break it - remember not to sell the wheels until you have some old crappy steels you can bolt on - otherwise you can't move it anywhere. I know thats teaching to suck eggs comment but you can guarantee the first thing people want are the wheels. You'll be amazed at what people will buy, strip everything carefully, take decent photos and from personal experience i found that open auctions tend to attract better prices than Buy-It-Now fixed price auctions. Time it right and you can get the Ebay £1 max selling fees as well which should help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 A lot depends on how much time/space you have. If you have lots of both then breaking it yourself will net the most money. Engine, Gearbox, lights, wheels, bumpers, bootlid, bonnet, front wings, doors, clamshell, hood mechanism, seats, carpets, backbox, cats, rads, alternator, starter motor, brake calipers, ARBs, suspension components and general trim items if in good condition. However it is very time consuming and you need somewhere to store the car and components as you remove them. If you get cold feet halfway through, you'll have to pay someone to remove what's left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topbox Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Clearly breaking the car youself would get the most back in cash BUT do you have the time, space and skilks to do it? Not to mention the aggravation. Reliable diagnosis is also tricky with out a engine out strip down. Having very recently faced the same dilemma, I would say find a buyer who wants to rebuild the engine and then use the car themselves or sell on. I had several offers of around 2k and got a bit more in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonogt6 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Menoporsche said: I can't believe it's IMS, firstly they are low risk on the 2.5, secondly they give no warning. Chain guide very likely from what I understand. If you don't want to fix, sell it whole as a non-runner. There are people who buy these and fix them (and even some loonies who drop V6 engines in...) I think the going rate is around 2k. Mrbikerdood did years ago, @Topbox did last month. Good luck. They sometimes give a warning. Mine was replaced back in 2015 after starting to make rather alarming whirring noises. It's a 2.5 double row and the bearing was in a shocking old state when they removed it..... fortunately it had remained in one piece though which was partly down to the double row design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonogt6 Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Geoffjackson said: Hi folks dont know if you have seen my previous post regarding a rattle I have discovered on my 2.5. so I have had the car to a reputable specialist to investigate and the news is not good, the rattle is suspected to be an internal chain/ guide or infact potentially the dreaded ims. Im not seeking advise on potential diagnosis as I have decided to potentially break the car. The reason for this is, it’s the only way I can claw back what I have in this car in order to purchase another. The cost to fix the car would outweigh the actual purchase price. please let me confirm this is not a “for sale” post I’m seeking real advice from you guys. what advice would you offer regarding a method of breaking and what are the key parts and potential values. car is a 99 2.5 in silver, black leather, low owner. Everything works and is generally tidy all over. any advice would be welcome but please remain on topic as I’m looking for genuine advice. thanks in advance for your replies geoff If you're keen on the car in all other respects and it's in good condition would it not be advisable to have it repaired? I was in a similar position some years ago but took the option to repair. Fortunately 4 years later the car is still going strong. I guess it all boils down to whether you intend to keep it long term. Potentially if you're intending to buy another of similar value you could end up in a worse position. Good luck Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffjackson Posted March 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Thanks again folks for all your replies. Just to justify my actions I paid £2400 for the car and I’d be looking at roughly £4500-£5000 to do what I want to it so the maths doesn’t work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 Breaking, if you have the space, can be worthwhile. I had an import Impreza WRX 5 door that did a big end/crank journal - oil was a nice silver colour when it was drained. Best offer as a rolling car at the time was £1000, I got £1600 for parts and that was without skills, tools, time to get some of the really specialist bits off it, I even gave the odd Japan market only smaller turbo to an engineering student for their final year project. As others have said it needs space, time and patience (I broke one rear quarter window trying to get it out which lost me £15), so if you like tinkering with cars and getting dirty it is kind of 'pleasurable' to be earning some of your losses back and a bit educational as you'll get into bits of a car you never normally would as an owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger C Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Geoffjackson said: Thanks again folks for all your replies. Just to justify my actions I paid £2400 for the car and I’d be looking at roughly £4500-£5000 to do what I want to it so the maths doesn’t work 20 secs on the bay has found a fully rebuilt 2.5 engine for £2250, even if you can't do it yourself it shouldn't cost more that £500 to get an engine fitted, so for about 5k (ish) all in you'll have a nice 986 with a fresh engine... win win in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr96er Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, Roger C said: 20 secs on the bay has found a fully rebuilt 2.5 engine for £2250, even if you can't do it yourself it shouldn't cost more that £500 to get an engine fitted, so for about 5k (ish) all in you'll have a nice 986 with a fresh engine... win win in my book. I know it’s catagorically not what you asked for. its blood good as an option though, isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbie Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Roger C said: 20 secs on the bay has found a fully rebuilt 2.5 engine for £2250, even if you can't do it yourself it shouldn't cost more that £500 to get an engine fitted, so for about 5k (ish) all in you'll have a nice 986 with a fresh engine... win win in my book. I'd be surprised if anyone would remove the old engine, remove all the ancillaries and gearbox and then refit all to the new engine for £500, then you've got delivery costs for both engines and various gaskets/ancillaries plus replacing whatever old brittle things break during the process. At the end of all that, you've still got a car that's not going to be worth a lot more than the OP paid as 'reconditioned engine' rarely adds value unless done properly by someone like Hartech where you're looking at £5/6k?. If it was a treasured car, then that looks like a good option, but as it sounds like a relatively recent purchase there is little point pumping money into it to get a keeper when you can just move it on with little loss by selling 'as is' on eBay, or get all your money back by breaking it yourself. The OP can then use the knowledge they've gained with this one to find a really nice replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulQ Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Seems crazy to me to even consider spending more then a cars worth, just to get it running again. Edit @Nobbie + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonogt6 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 51 minutes ago, PaulQ said: Seems crazy to me to even consider spending more then a cars worth, just to get it running again. Edit @Nobbie + 1 Happens all the time. I suppose it depends whether you view cars in the same way as white goods or whether you have a passion for older cars. I can understand both points of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_ly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Personally I would just drive the car and turn the radio up - on a 2 grand Boxster it's surely not worth fixing. Call it an experiment for the good of the community to see if it actually blows up the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, james_ly said: Personally I would just drive the car and turn the radio up - on a 2 grand Boxster it's surely not worth fixing. Call it an experiment for the good of the community to see if it actually blows up the engine YES!! What is the worst which could happen. It's worth £2k with a blown engine so you may as well spend your £400 loss ragging it around the countryside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason986S Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Lennym1984 said: YES!! What is the worst which could happen. It's worth £2k with a blown engine so you may as well spend your £400 loss ragging it around the countryside. Actually almost makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennym1984 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason986S said: Actually almost makes sense! Especially when you factor in lost road tax days, insurance cancelation fees, eBay /autotrader fees etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the baron Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 10:36 AM, Geoffjackson said: Thanks guys for your replies i don’t really want to get into the mechanical side of the post as I said it’s already been to the specialist. I will try to sell the car whole first and take it from there regards I wouldn’t be scrapping a car based on one person/companies advice, that’s pretty extreme diagnosis when it can be so many other things. as others have said 2.5s dont have IMS failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araf Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Happy to let the thread run as I'm not heartless enough to bin such a sad tale. As has been said, I would get a second opinion. You haven't said who the specialist is but there have been stories of 'specialists' not being as good as people think. I'm not asking you to name them, but do a search on the name of the company and see if anyone else here has used them. I don't know where you are but if you look in the Dealer Talk area, you'll find a list of garages that people here have used and like. I like the idea of ragging the car until it goes pop for the sake of £400 but I'd also consider getting a fixed price quote from someone like Russ at Revolution for having a new bearing fitted (if that is indeed the problem). Do you have a breakdown for the £4.5-5k that you think you need to spend? Also, just because you only paid £2400 for it, doesn't mean that is all it is worth (as a fun car). 3/4 of a 911 for 25% of the price (in your case). Good luck with whatever you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffjackson Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Thanks for all your comments folks. I can catogotrigally say I have spent money at the specialist to get to where I am now with regards to diagnosis. I also quite like the idea of just driving and enjoying it as it’s almost just as valuable with a blown engine. Certainly food for thought cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffjackson Posted April 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 ## update ## i decided to take your advice on board and “just drive” the car day two of driving I broken down due to a failed water pump!!. this is in no way linked to the rattle to the engine had as this was checked by bypassing the pump by the specialist. car is now going to broken as it’s the only way I can redeem some of my hard earned. im going to attempt to break this on my driveway. This is going to be interesting as I’m a novice mechanic, furthermore I’m going to try and vlog the entire process!! any tips would be appreciated, feel free to pm me and keep your eyes peeled for my first videos, it’s certainly going to be a venture. geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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