kharma45 Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Scubaregs said: Wide berth. 8 years old before you are even using them and manufacturers typically recommend replacing tyres around 7 years old. That is what I was leaning towards. These look better, N rated to keep OPC warranty happy and I think from some image editing the dot date is a lot newer. Just not overly handy location wise *COLLECTION ONLY* 19” PORSCHE WINTER TYRES/ALLOYS (Fit Cayman/Boxster) | in Inverurie, Aberdeenshire | Gumtree 13 hours ago, ½cwt said: You're driving a sports car worth 10s of thousands and want to drive it in poor winter conditions. Pay the extra £300, or whatever, for new tyres... Tyres, particularly winter ones, are not an area to economise on. £300 would get you one N rated corner fitted. Doesn't go far. 3 hours ago, Patt said: Winter tyres seem to last ages, well past what you would normally expect. I think mine are 2012 and the rears are only just getting to a stage where I would consider replacing them as the depth is getting down to about 4.5mm Stored in the shed away from any sunlight and only used for 4-5 months of the year. No cracking or any such worries. I think the winters on my old 986 were 3rd hand and a similar age too. Very much dependent on how they're stored I guess and that's the unknown when buying a used set privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 That's a very good price! I paid well over twice that for mine, although they were mint and only done very limited miles over one winter (2nd car). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 46 minutes ago, GTSMarky said: I presume the are the P Zero N0 tyres? If so notoriously cr*p and they crack - avoid these completely. P Zero N1 tyres are an improvement, but not as good as Michelin PS4S all round.. They are PZ4 N1. Unfortunately I can get MP4S in 718 19" rear N spec (I can get fronts) N spec is Pirelli PZ4, Yokohama Advan Sport or Hankook Ventus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) . Edited April 19, 2022 by moonshine Oops! Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJ Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 I bought a car from OPC recently. We went to take a look before they had inspected it for sale. On the lift, the techie looked at the front tyres and said "those are 5 years and 4 months old, we'll have to change them". The rears were 4 years and 6 months old, didn't need to change. As they were all P Zero N0, we came to a mutually agreed sum for swapping them all for N1 - I'd done the same swap on the previous car and was much happier with N1. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 hours ago, kharma45 said: £300 would get you one N rated corner fitted. Doesn't go far. I did say extra £300, or whatever... I'd add if you don't want to pay for a full set of winters stay on standard tyres and drive more carefully, just as you might have to on much older winter tyres... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alank Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 I dont get this winter tyre business, surely ( as mentioned above, 1/2cwt) just drive the car more carefully if the weather is bad.Been driving for 45 years and Never had winter tyres on any car, but that has not stopped me driving in bad weather ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, alank said: I dont get this winter tyre business, surely ( as mentioned above, 1/2cwt) just drive the car more carefully if the weather is bad.Been driving for 45 years and Never had winter tyres on any car, but that has not stopped me driving in bad weather ?? Your location in Fareham, Hampshire is one reason you are unlikely to see the benefit of winter tyres. In Scotland they are a real benefit. Modern summer tyres have become wider and more summer focused and the performance drop off in cold wet conditions means the benefit of moving to specialist winter rubber is marked. plus, full winter tyres wearing the 3PMSF markings are mandatory in large parts of Europe between November and April 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
½cwt Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, moonshine said: Your location in Fareham, Hampshire is one reason you are unlikely to see the benefit of winter tyres. In Scotland they are a real benefit. Modern summer tyres have become wider and more summer focused and the performance drop off in cold wet conditions means the benefit of moving to specialist winter rubber is marked. plus, full winter tyres wearing the 3PMSF markings are mandatory in large parts of Europe between November and April ^^^ This. I have worked in Scandinavia in winter and having full winter tyres is an amazing difference to standard tyres on snow in particular. In the UK not so much. We fitted Cross Climate tyres (all season not pure winter) to MRS ½cwt's Gold cabrio. So far they have only made a key difference on one day of snow in two winters. That said on very cold greasy/frosty days they do give a bit more grip too, but you'd be unlikely to take a Boxster out in those conditions. If you do want a set of tyres that are better in cold/damp/greasy weather then all season tyres on a spare set of rims for the winter might be the better option, and bite the bullet on cost. I have fitted 18" rims on my 986 but I have the original 17" too and this is what I am considering but it is a challenge to get the sizes for this older car. I appreciate the bigger rim size tyres are even more costly than teh ones I'm looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubaregs Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) Around October I tried to buy a set of winter wheels and tyres for my current car as it is a DD and I have an 80 mile return trip commute across Scotland's central belt. The seller and I could not reach agreement and it was into the new year before he dropped the price to an amount I would consider. However as there was only a few months left of winter and I'm being made redundant this year and unlikely to have such a commute in the future, I gambled a bit on the winter staying mild. In the unlikely event we had hit a bad few days I had enough "banked" hours to take those days off. Obviously hindsight is wonderful and it turned out to be the correct decision, however had I bought them and put them on at the first cold weather, there wasn't a single day winter tyres would have been significantly advantageous over all seasons. The other side was there were plenty of days when winters would have been running above their recommended temperatures. Unlikely now I will have such a commute again, but if it were to occur I would put all seasons on rather than winters. Edited April 20, 2022 by Scubaregs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharma45 Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ½cwt said: ^^^ This. I have worked in Scandinavia in winter and having full winter tyres is an amazing difference to standard tyres on snow in particular. In the UK not so much. We fitted Cross Climate tyres (all season not pure winter) to MRS ½cwt's Gold cabrio. So far they have only made a key difference on one day of snow in two winters. That said on very cold greasy/frosty days they do give a bit more grip too, but you'd be unlikely to take a Boxster out in those conditions. If you do want a set of tyres that are better in cold/damp/greasy weather then all season tyres on a spare set of rims for the winter might be the better option, and bite the bullet on cost. I have fitted 18" rims on my 986 but I have the original 17" too and this is what I am considering but it is a challenge to get the sizes for this older car. I appreciate the bigger rim size tyres are even more costly than teh ones I'm looking at. I did plan to daily it, winter and summer. I still have my bangernomics spare car fitted with winter tyres so arguably, assuming I still have it come the time when such tyres would be needed, I could use it and would be better off using it if there was snowy/slushy conditions about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menoporsche Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, kharma45 said: I still have my bangernomics spare car fitted with winter tyres so arguably, assuming I still have it come the time when such tyres would be needed, I could use it Strongly consider this. Just because you have winter tyres, doesn't mean that everyone else has (in fact I suspect it's only car nuts like us who actually know about them), and the chance of someone else sliding into you is greatly increased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharma45 Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, Menoporsche said: Strongly consider this. Just because you have winter tyres, doesn't mean that everyone else has (in fact I suspect it's only car nuts like us who actually know about them), and the chance of someone else sliding into you is greatly increased. True, fair points. The other car costs little to nothing to keep, and assuming it doesn't die on me, might be the better option when things get slippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patt Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 The winters are also great for the wet days - and we have too many of those ! I never bothered until I was sideways with zero input or warning in my old 986. The lack of warning was my main concern. Previously only had one mid engine car and that didn't see snow or winter roads. Add to that my summer tyres now last twice as long, it didn't take too much man math's to justify. Sure tyre technology has greatly improved and youtube has helped spread the word with tyre review channels. For instance the new all weather tyres are almost as good these days all most respects. But I like to progress when I can and I can feel the PS4S' giving up, just like I can feel the winters getting too warm. Mini roundabouts are the best at showing this up. Also a lot of new cars are now sold with either winter or all season tyres on, especially the SUV market. So most wont feel they need to swap. They are not performance vehicles though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonshine Posted April 20, 2022 Report Share Posted April 20, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 10:51 AM, moonshine said: 111 OPC porsche check says This is worded ambigously. It could be interpreted as <5yrs or <6yrs Any opinion? I've got an interest as the car I bought with OPC warranty had front tyres fitted that are badly cracked in the treads and were >5yrs old but <6 yrs old according to DOT date. I'll be raising with the OPC for their take Bit of a result. I raised this with the OPC i bought my 718 from. The 111 point check identified all tyres were OK from a tread perspective. the fronts were dated 25/16, and the rears dated 26/18. (So the fronts were >5yrs and the rears <5yrs old. The fronts were quite badly cracked / perished - identified in the 111 point check. And crucially, they marked box 48 “no safety related damage on wheels/ tyres” defect with a X, and no corrective action was taken. I sent them some photos and the 111 point check and they have agreed to pay for new N spec tyres all round - ive just to send them the invoice and they will reimburse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GTSMarky Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, moonshine said: Bit of a result. I raised this with the OPC i bought my 718 from. The 111 point check identified all tyres were OK from a tread perspective. the fronts were dated 25/16, and the rears dated 26/18. (So the fronts were >5yrs and the rears <5yrs old. The fronts were quite badly cracked / perished - identified in the 111 point check. And crucially, they marked box 48 “no safety related damage on wheels/ tyres” defect with a X, and no corrective action was taken. I sent them some photos and the 111 point check and they have agreed to pay for new N spec tyres all round - ive just to send them the invoice and they will reimburse Sadly this goes to show the actual attention some OPC take when preparing a used car for sale. I had a similar 'chat' with the dealer principal when I found similar tyre related issues. You did the right thing and got a result - good work! Edited April 21, 2022 by GTSMarky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon61 Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 18 hours ago, Stuart21UK said: went for a sandwich Nice lineup - if I'd been closer I could have come instead of having Steve @Ringer250 spoil the lineup 😀 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSMarky Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 ..drove mine yesterday & the flamin PADM warning came up..... Deep joy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMA Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, GTSMarky said: ..drove mine yesterday & the flamin PADM warning came up..... Deep joy! I know that pain, are you lucky enough to be under warranty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSMarky Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, CMA said: I know that pain, are you lucky enough to be under warranty? No - I canned the whole warranty thing when mine expired. I can fix it with the bits, so it's just a bit of a nuisance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMA Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, GTSMarky said: No - I canned the whole warranty thing when mine expired. I can fix it with the bits, so it's just a bit of a nuisance.. Same as I did, 3 months later mine went. This thread may help you if you've not seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurassicBGTS Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 55 minutes ago, GTSMarky said: ..drove mine yesterday & the flamin PADM warning came up..... Deep joy! Really sorry to hear this☹ Glad I have put mine back under Porsche warranty, at £600 per year it's good for my piece of mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSMarky Posted April 21, 2022 Report Share Posted April 21, 2022 50 minutes ago, CMA said: Same as I did, 3 months later mine went. This thread may help you if you've not seen it Thank you & yes I've got it! Much appreciated too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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